mountain lions in ny
11-17-2006, 03:21 PM
#81
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RE: mountain lions in ny
ORIGINAL: salty
not sure why the DEC wouldn't believe it.It was even in the newspaper up there a couple years back. Honesty I don't see it as that big of a deal. If they are in VT they can easily be in NY. There isn't a 20 ft tall fence around NY last I checked. They are free to roam wherever and whenever just like Moose do.
not sure why the DEC wouldn't believe it.It was even in the newspaper up there a couple years back. Honesty I don't see it as that big of a deal. If they are in VT they can easily be in NY. There isn't a 20 ft tall fence around NY last I checked. They are free to roam wherever and whenever just like Moose do.
11-17-2006, 03:38 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
DuBrock said the commission has always investigated mountain lion sightings. But up until now, the agency didn’t have an official protocol for responding to them, keeping track of how many reports were received or where they came from.
Starting this month, commission officials who respond to mountain lion reports will collect a standard set of information, including eyewitness accounts, photographs, videos and any physical evidence such as hair, tracks and scat.
"We’ll be able to quantify the reports, and, in a sense, qualify them," DuBrock said.
Just because the commission has developed a standard method for tracking lion sightings doesn’t mean officials believe the animals are here. In fact, DuBrock said the new procedures were created largely out of frustration about how much time agency employees have wasted following up reports that lead nowhere.
In the past, the commission has received photographs, videotapes, tracks and scat from a variety of animals — including bobcats, housecats, foxes, fishers, coyotes and bears — that people thought were mountain lions.
Despite that, commission officials don’t completely rule out the possibility that a mountain lion or two may be roaming around out there. But if they are, officials can’t understand why a cougar hasn’t been shot or killed on a highway.
That's because the numbers are not even as close to beinghigh as bobcats or bears asI stated. But they do not rule them out here in Pa.
Starting this month, commission officials who respond to mountain lion reports will collect a standard set of information, including eyewitness accounts, photographs, videos and any physical evidence such as hair, tracks and scat.
"We’ll be able to quantify the reports, and, in a sense, qualify them," DuBrock said.
Just because the commission has developed a standard method for tracking lion sightings doesn’t mean officials believe the animals are here. In fact, DuBrock said the new procedures were created largely out of frustration about how much time agency employees have wasted following up reports that lead nowhere.
In the past, the commission has received photographs, videotapes, tracks and scat from a variety of animals — including bobcats, housecats, foxes, fishers, coyotes and bears — that people thought were mountain lions.
Despite that, commission officials don’t completely rule out the possibility that a mountain lion or two may be roaming around out there. But if they are, officials can’t understand why a cougar hasn’t been shot or killed on a highway.
That's because the numbers are not even as close to beinghigh as bobcats or bears asI stated. But they do not rule them out here in Pa.
11-18-2006, 10:51 AM
#83
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RE: mountain lions in ny
I laugh every time I hear of people seeing tracks. I hunt in one of the most heavily populated cougar areas in the US, and most people that I take hunting can not tell the difference between wolf, dog and cougar tracks. There are differences that most will not pick up on. I grew up hunting in the southern teir and these rumors have been going on for years and years. As far as cougars controling the coyote population, I dang near peed myself laughing when I read that one. I suppose that one got by the insurance companies who introduced the coyotes to control the deer population. If a cougar and coyote got in a tussle over a fresh kill, The cougar might kill the coyote, but I have yet to see one chasing a coyote down. Cougars will not waste their time and energy chasing and killing something that is of no benefit to them. I am not saying that cougars may be there or not and will remain neutral on that topic, but I do however get a real kick out of reading these cougar threads and the theories that some come up with!!!! Some are blessed at spotting cougars I guess, because I see one on average every 6-8 years, and log 50+ days a year in the Idahoback country. Let me know how you do it becasue I would like 1 or two more cougar rugs on the wall. Have a great day!!
11-18-2006, 11:44 AM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
ORIGINAL: Elkcrazy8
I laugh every time I hear of people seeing tracks. I hunt in one of the most heavily populated cougar areas in the US, and most people that I take hunting can not tell the difference between wolf, dog and cougar tracks. There are differences that most will not pick up on. I grew up hunting in the southern teir and these rumors have been going on for years and years. As far as cougars controling the coyote population, I dang near peed myself laughing when I read that one. I suppose that one got by the insurance companies who introduced the coyotes to control the deer population. If a cougar and coyote got in a tussle over a fresh kill, The cougar might kill the coyote, but I have yet to see one chasing a coyote down. Cougars will not waste their time and energy chasing and killing something that is of no benefit to them. I am not saying that cougars may be there or not and will remain neutral on that topic, but I do however get a real kick out of reading these cougar threads and the theories that some come up with!!!! Some are blessed at spotting cougars I guess, because I see one on average every 6-8 years, and log 50+ days a year in the Idahoback country. Let me know how you do it becasue I would like 1 or two more cougar rugs on the wall. Have a great day!!
I laugh every time I hear of people seeing tracks. I hunt in one of the most heavily populated cougar areas in the US, and most people that I take hunting can not tell the difference between wolf, dog and cougar tracks. There are differences that most will not pick up on. I grew up hunting in the southern teir and these rumors have been going on for years and years. As far as cougars controling the coyote population, I dang near peed myself laughing when I read that one. I suppose that one got by the insurance companies who introduced the coyotes to control the deer population. If a cougar and coyote got in a tussle over a fresh kill, The cougar might kill the coyote, but I have yet to see one chasing a coyote down. Cougars will not waste their time and energy chasing and killing something that is of no benefit to them. I am not saying that cougars may be there or not and will remain neutral on that topic, but I do however get a real kick out of reading these cougar threads and the theories that some come up with!!!! Some are blessed at spotting cougars I guess, because I see one on average every 6-8 years, and log 50+ days a year in the Idahoback country. Let me know how you do it becasue I would like 1 or two more cougar rugs on the wall. Have a great day!!
11-18-2006, 01:23 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
I wonder if the Mountain Lion skeptics believe in God?
My sister is an Atheist. Explain to me how I can prove to her there is a God.
By the way, she lives in northern PA and believes there are ML's there. She says with all the sightings and reports of tracks that gives you something to go on. She keeps asking me for some evidence of a God.
What do think I should tell her?
My sister is an Atheist. Explain to me how I can prove to her there is a God.
By the way, she lives in northern PA and believes there are ML's there. She says with all the sightings and reports of tracks that gives you something to go on. She keeps asking me for some evidence of a God.
What do think I should tell her?
11-18-2006, 04:09 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
I know there are several stories about mountain lions in NYS... the DEC's stance is since their is not sustainable population they do not exist. Proof will only be a dead animal.
Now one story I do believe is one my father has told me several times... he was an avid coon hunter when he was young... so this story would be back in the 50's - 60's I am not certain. But he has told me of a story of a hunt (with his brothers) in Catt County... that they had thought they had tree'd a very large coon. They were only carrying a 22 LR pistal (his old service side arm) and they had shotit a coupletimes... the issue was that when they shot it is screamed at them... he said that it wasa blood curdling scream. They decided then to grab the dogs and leave with haste.
On another subject... this one in Erie County back in the 70's... when I was little (6 or 7) I remember a coon hunt my father took me on where we had thought we had treed a coon back in a swampy area... I remember the dogs barking and my father putting me down next to the lantern while he approached to see what they had bayed... when he got close to the action I remember all hell breaking loose and a black bear running past me and my brothers standing next to the lantern. I believe I still have the brown streaks in my underware.
Now one story I do believe is one my father has told me several times... he was an avid coon hunter when he was young... so this story would be back in the 50's - 60's I am not certain. But he has told me of a story of a hunt (with his brothers) in Catt County... that they had thought they had tree'd a very large coon. They were only carrying a 22 LR pistal (his old service side arm) and they had shotit a coupletimes... the issue was that when they shot it is screamed at them... he said that it wasa blood curdling scream. They decided then to grab the dogs and leave with haste.
On another subject... this one in Erie County back in the 70's... when I was little (6 or 7) I remember a coon hunt my father took me on where we had thought we had treed a coon back in a swampy area... I remember the dogs barking and my father putting me down next to the lantern while he approached to see what they had bayed... when he got close to the action I remember all hell breaking loose and a black bear running past me and my brothers standing next to the lantern. I believe I still have the brown streaks in my underware.
11-18-2006, 04:20 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
I wonder if the Mountain Lion skeptics believe in God?
My sister is an Atheist. Explain to me how I can prove to her there is a God.
By the way, she lives in northern PA and believes there are ML's there. She says with all the sightings and reports of tracks that gives you something to go on. She keeps asking me for some evidence of a God.
What do think I should tell her?
I wonder if the Mountain Lion skeptics believe in God?
My sister is an Atheist. Explain to me how I can prove to her there is a God.
By the way, she lives in northern PA and believes there are ML's there. She says with all the sightings and reports of tracks that gives you something to go on. She keeps asking me for some evidence of a God.
What do think I should tell her?
Now regarding what to tell your sister, let me suggest bringing it up in the religion forum.
11-18-2006, 05:29 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
ORIGINAL: salty
I thought Dom died? wasn't he the HS science teacher? I had him as a teacher in school and he actually carried a pistol strapped to his ankle. I grew up about 1 mile from his house.
I thought Dom died? wasn't he the HS science teacher? I had him as a teacher in school and he actually carried a pistol strapped to his ankle. I grew up about 1 mile from his house.
11-18-2006, 05:42 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
Just curious as to how many people do you think believe you or take your story seriously vs. how many you think figure it's just bs and are laughing at you?
ORIGINAL: Rover109
Last winter in Long Lake NY my father-in-law and I were walking down a logging road after a fresh snowfall and found tracks that looked like a mountain lion's. We called the DEC, and they sent out a biologist from Albany (about 2 hours away). His response? "Yes, sir, those are mountain lion tracks. However, there are no mountain lions in NYS."
I kid you not.
Last winter in Long Lake NY my father-in-law and I were walking down a logging road after a fresh snowfall and found tracks that looked like a mountain lion's. We called the DEC, and they sent out a biologist from Albany (about 2 hours away). His response? "Yes, sir, those are mountain lion tracks. However, there are no mountain lions in NYS."
I kid you not.
11-18-2006, 06:59 PM
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RE: mountain lions in ny
poison, read through all of the past threads on this topic over the past couple of years. You will find that there are people who see them on a regular basis. For many years in a row. If there is 2-3 wandering around the entire state of new york, then why do some people see them time and time again. So my statement then holds some value. I was pointing out that in a state where the population is very high, cougars are not regularly spotted.
Besides, with the way the woodlots are lined with orange hats, I am sure that the chances of one being shot would be pretty high still with only 2-3 running amuck. Someone is bound to see one, but why the same people all the time?
If you read my statement, I am refering to all the threads that I have read on this topic and not only this one.................
Whether they are there or not, this still makes for interesting reading.
Besides, with the way the woodlots are lined with orange hats, I am sure that the chances of one being shot would be pretty high still with only 2-3 running amuck. Someone is bound to see one, but why the same people all the time?
If you read my statement, I am refering to all the threads that I have read on this topic and not only this one.................
Whether they are there or not, this still makes for interesting reading.