Let me tell you, that I did get harrassed for taking a camera into the woods to film deer. Those two guys had no reason to do anything once they saw I had no weapon only a camera.

This happened around 1988 in Greene Co. near Graysville.

I did witness a deputy WCO harrass 4 hunters in a vehicle, during pheasant season, for doing nothing. He was just showing off for his brother, my father, myself and a friend.


No BS. It happened.

As for my buddy dove hunting, I arrived just after it happened and they were all talking and laughing about it. So yeah, this story is second hand but I have no reason not to believe it.

I guess just dismissing it as BS would be an easy way out.

Do you think that maybe the conviction rate is so high because people would rather pay a fine for a couple hundred dollars than hire an attorney and fight it? I do.

ok Mister Dick Bodenhorn at what point did I say carcasses? I said and I will state again it was a pile of skulls and other bones all from deer. Your such a joke it isn't even funny. Lets all face it guys everything anyone says is wrong and MR WCO is always right. Actually I am coming up to Elk county maybe we should get together and I will walk you to right where the bones "where" I am certain by now you already let everyone know about this in the area and already cleared the evidence. Since you stated before that you are freinds with everyon in the Lake City area and know every pet they own. Your whole post is such a joke I don't know where to start "people telling me a story about myself while I wear cilvian cloths" lol You must think everyone is as dumb as you. Listen up people the WCO are all superman and do more good for the world then all other law enforcement againsies combined We are all GODS and are above you all... Thats how you sound dude. Heck why we sending soldiers over seas lets just send the PGC they will end the war in a day. But the bottom line Dick is if you want to call myself a lier and everyone else that posted on this thread except your little kiss up DougE. Since none of us know what we are talking about except you and you know it ALL maybe we shouldn't post anythign and only read what you got to say...lol Actually this is a free country and I will keep telling the trueth and you keep making BS excuses and making yourself look more like a idiot.

Trytan

Good posts R.S.B. and DougE. I always look forward to what you guys have to say.

Certainly you should let me know the next time you are in Elk County. I certainly do want to see where these deer bones, which incidentally must have come from carcasses, were. If there is any indication of illegal deer killing going on I want to know about it.

Incidentally I don’t doubt for a minute that you did find a bunch of illegal deer carcasses, it is going on some where every year. About two years ago it was going on in the Lake City area, until I finally got enough evidence to arrest the guys involved. They are still on revocation as a matter of fact. Funny thing is I know both people that called with any information concerning the night shooting and I never heard anything from you about any illegal activity. If you had I would still have a copy of the incident in my file.

Now the ball is in your court, again. Are you man enough to call and show me the evidence of these kills you are talking about? I will still do what I can with it even though you are probably years too late reporting it.

Oh, and incidentally since you brought up the war efforts; we do have several WCOs and Deputies fighting in the wars of foreign soil to keep you safe. I would gladly have served yet another tour if I were a few years younger even though I already have an honorable discharge from more then thirty years ago. I have two sons that have already served one or more tours in this current war though and both will be going back over yet again. What have you done for the good of our country and our freedoms?

Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County

Oh, way of course in the scheme of things here. Since all that bitching has started between hunters and WCO, I have a few pennies for your pockets.

As with police officers you have good people and bad ones. Mr.Bodenhorn ,the problem I have with your post is you have a typical narrow mind that seems to plague the PGC. It is almost, dare I say Paris Island like?
I have some friends who have been in the PGC for many years. They would be the first to step up and say there are someloose cannons playing Ranger Rick. What is sad is that those few are in fact few and far between.

Why is it that WCO or Deputy will almost instantly dicount any story that seems strange? Lets use the Mountain Lion as an example. These stories seem to increase daily. Some sources that have told me on their witnessing would be dead on balls reliable. Some I don't know very well so I can't say the same.
Did I myself see a Mountain Lion? No. Do I take these reliable sources, people of hunting background for decades, people of realism, and discount what they say? NO. Do I believe it 100 percent? No! It is possible. BTW, these people also hunt BOBCATS and can seperate the two. PGC response often times is that it being a BOBCAT or Domestic CAT. Anything but the sheer possibility that it might be a real CAT! Arrogance anyone?
I use MT. LION as the example seeing how it has become a hot topic in this state.

Lets move to the Deer population issue. The bonus tag started around 1988 or 1987. A couple years later I toldPGC and WCO alike, that you are going to have a real problem in this state with the Deer population.What was my response? "How can you know more than we do?" More arrogance.

I was driving my Jeep on an access road to SGL's yesterday and came upon an old man sitting on his tail gate. We talked for a while about how things used to be. "You dont see any Deer up here anymore. " he also said " I don't know about the game commission." Later I learned his age to be of 78. I bring his age into it because he told me he hasn't hunted for the last 6 years. When I asked why, he said do you ever go fishing in a mud puddle? Want to know what this old fella was doing? Cutting firewood by himself. An excercise displaying the capability of this guy to still have the ability to hunt. So let me guess, he doesnt want to hunt for some other wordly reason. Anything but the one given.

Challenge me to something, I dare and welcome you to.

You might be a stand up guy. You might be one of the good ones. You mention extensive training. Is being Naive one of the courses? That is something you ALL SEEM TO SPECIALIZE IN! Atleast in some capacity.

BTW, say what you want about people and their stories, but that hatred toward the PGC didn't happen from Big Bang. You think people are born today and they choose to hate the PGC?

Hunters are and have been fed up with all the lying, arrogance, power trippingover the years. It has caught up with PGC.

Here is a tip for the PGC. Want to get the youth interested again in hunting? Hit the schools. Send flyers home. Paper is cheap. Be creative. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT ENOUGH. I have a son who will be 13 and 9 of his ten friends do not hunt. THAT IS YOUR FAULT!!!Some of it is anti-gun has increased but so many people in their thirties and forties, money spenders in this state say they dont hunt anymore. I don't ask why anymore. Always the same answer.

Making a Junior license $6.00 was dumb. Last time I checked an adult has to take the Junior hunting. You raise the Adult license and you decrease the Junior. Any adult who was on the fence about hunting before that increase I bet he was loving you then.

Funny thing is, the rate you all are going, the hunter/deer ratio willbe back in order before too long.
Then again when that happens, hunting license will be $200 becausethe PGC**** where it eats. Go firgure.

One more thing boys,
you have seeneverything in the woods when you find a Shot up body that was half burned from drug deal gone bad. On SGL none the less.

WCO, did I really find that body or was it a person like thing?

I could pick apart your comments' if I wanted to...If the PGC wants to survive,Show respect to the constittion....Have respect for all you see...Don't try to show authority to people as in the past....I know the PGC is hurting for money...Do not lose moral respect from the community...What the PGC needs and should do is relax and not worry...

When you support the people the people will suport you...

R.S.B. The quote
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing." --was by Edmund Burke
I use it often.
I think your reason for all the "bad" WCO was pretty good.
Another quote Ihave been using may fit:

"... still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."--Simon and Garfunkel


300smbswm said:
"Here is a tip for the PGC. Want to get the youth interested again in hunting? Hit the schools. Send flyers home. Paper is cheap. Be creative. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT ENOUGH. I have a son who will be 13 and 9 of his ten friends do not hunt. THAT IS YOUR FAULT!!!"

You have no idea the PR / educational work the WCO's do. They do go to schools. In talking over lunch with WCO Fife (Monroeville) I was amazed at what she gets accomplished in a week. Including visiting schools as you suggested. Even taking a trapped bear to school to show them how it was processed. The kids loved it.

Your kids friends do not hunt and it is the PGC's fault??
You haven't a clue. Where do you get this from?

Sorry for your experiences. But in my experience, the WCO's, DWCO's and LCO's I have met, theydo an outstanding job with there limited resources/budget. Yes, I have heard a lot of grousing even rants similar to yours, but I am discerning enough to know that often it is because they didn't like "being spanked." Other times it is just a matter of the story getting twisted and blown out of proportion as the story is told and retold.

ChuckS

Your response is just as ignorant and narrow as a PGC member. Did I say all of them are crooked? NO. Did I say that there are good ones and bad ones? I do believe I did.

The lack of youth hunters is much their fault. See, YOU are being naive here. For every 1 school they visit, there are another 15 schools they don't. With much more anit-gun stance by parents the PGC could no longer be passive and arrogant. When I was a kid, it went like this. Hunt, Drive, 18(adult) 21 then oh **** time is flying. They took for granted the fact that8 out of ten kids hunted. Now the number is the same..it is just who doesnt hunt. 8 out of ten. Don't forget all the adults they upset who will not take their kids hunting. Ask a lot of 30-50 year old adults if they hunt. I guarantee you that the number one answer is this, "I used to hunt."Ask them ten years ago, and the number one answer was HELL YEAH I HUNT!

I am sure the one you speak of does a good job. I am not so ignorant if you READ ALL MY POST to this fact. PGC problem is much like yours in that of tunnel vision. I dont hate the PGC much like some but do you really think they just automatically starting disliking the PGC for the hell of it?

I think they have a tough job. Yes I think they have a huge territory.

Love how you use the term spanked. Again all these people who dislike the PGC must have been slapped on the wrist before. WRONG. again..WRONG.

Typical ignorant naive answer. How about all the grandfathers, fathers, Grand mothers, mothers who have never been arrested or warned for any violation...how about those people who are fed up with the PGC? They have an influence on their family members from their negative opinions of the PGC.

"Malicious lies" being "spanked"..among others are always the excuses by the PGC for being disliked.

How about this.. get off your throne and face the fact that your ideals and Law Enforcement practice...collectivley are far from perfect. Which makes you no different than any other law or enforcing body in this state or country.
Unlike the PGC, most know they are far from perfect.

Do you realize how many hunters the PGC would gain the repect back from ifthey all said collectivley, we have made some major mistakes over the last 20 plus years. We intend to fix these problems ASAP.

People forgive the liar who confesses a lot faster than then one who keeps lying.

Wow. Chill dude, you're going to blow a gasket. Did I touch a nerve?

The lack of hunters is much there fault?? If you reeally want them to fight against the antis, promote hunting, visit EVERY school, etc....you should be supporting the PGC not ranting against them. How many kids friends (and their parents) have you convinced/helped to begin/return tohunting?
The PGC didn't ruin hunting and you know it. Or you should know it. Habitat--the PGC owns/controls a fraction of the PA woods and fields. Farming practices have changed. Even peoples life styles have changed. The PGC is responsible for 200+ animals. Not just deer or pheasant or rabbits. On and on but you're not listening are you. "... still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."--Simon and Garfunkel

"and all these people who dislike the PGC"...you should hang around a better crowd. That's not my experience.

Oh and thanks for the ignorant, naive,and narrow minded comments. I'll consider the source.

Cheers,
ChuckS