Remember PA Guys......
08-06-2006 | 08:17 PM
#22
Giant Nontypical
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From: Pittsburgh, PA
RE: Remember PA Guys......
yea, PA TM, these guys have been killing legit threads for years now.
But in other news,my dad took a ride out my hunting spot tonight and saw 102 deer, 12 bucks. There are WAY too many deer. It was good hunting when you could ride around and see 30-50 on this loop. 102, is way too many. During turkey season this past year, you could really start to see a heavey browse line, like I've never seen before.
But in other news,my dad took a ride out my hunting spot tonight and saw 102 deer, 12 bucks. There are WAY too many deer. It was good hunting when you could ride around and see 30-50 on this loop. 102, is way too many. During turkey season this past year, you could really start to see a heavey browse line, like I've never seen before.
08-06-2006 | 09:08 PM
#25
Typical Buck
Joined: Jul 2006
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RE: Remember PA Guys......
"Try and keep in mind that the agency lied when they said PA had 1.6 Million Deer on the hoof."
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
"They continually lie about the yearly deer kill. Your asking intelegent people to believe that your agency can derive accurate kill figures when LESS than 40% of hunters return report cards. The PGC has conjured up a "Magical, Mystical Method" of calculation and made NO improvements to the equation in decades if ever. Oh, why doesn't the agency have a 1-800 number for reporting? Or...how about reporting on line?I know, the PGC knows best,..right?"
Your lack of knowledge and biased misinformation is showing again.
As a matter of fact the Game Commission has been legally restricted to only mail in reporting until just this past year when the State Legislature finally changed the law to finally allow for other methods of reporting.
As for the accuracy of the deer harvests the methods of calculating the annual harvests by determining the reporting rate and then factoring that into the actual reported harvest was scrutinized and evaluated by a leading accounting firm and found to be an accurate and reliable method of estimating the harvest. In fact it is more accurate then check stations. We still wish hunters would do a better job of sending in those free and easy to use mail in report cards, I don’t know what could be any easier.
"Your agency allowed Dr. Alt to pursue a state-wide deer program with NO OVERSIGHT! Unheard of anywhere in the United States!"
That is without a doubt one of the most unfounded comments I have ever seen on any message board. There has never been a manage plan or hunting season initiated in this state that didn’t get voted on and approved by the entire Board of Commissioners.
"Only this year has there been any consideration for an Urban Deer Management Plan. I guess that element was simply forgotten by the Great Gary Alt, and all of the deer biologists on staff.
Because of this lack of oversight and accountability, a state-wide deer management program was initiated without first having test studiesor a basic pilot program in which to glean this vital information.
In fact, the proper designation for such an action in the scientific community is often labeled "Junk Science."
Once again you have no idea what you are talking.
There was and is a ton of scientific data to support every management objective in place today. The only place where scientific supported data is lacking would be for those years when the antlerless allocations where cut back in the 90s and for ever allowing buck harvests that allowed the buck/doe ratio to become so out of balance.
"And now we find out that the agency has had secret meetings (JAN-05) with DCNR. Remember, DCNR is the biggest user of DMAP. DMAP was originally intended for privat landowners. DCNR advocates deer densities of ZERO."
Just because the USP and your cronies weren’t invited to the meeting doesn’t mean it was a secret meeting. We have had private meetings with the USP too yet they weren’t secrets now were they?
Besides it doesn’t really matter who the agency meets with publicly or privately to listen to their views on any number of topics as long as we still use sound scientific management principles toward responsible wildlife management objectives. I suspect part of that responsible management also includes having a management plan that allows other landowners to fulfill their legislatively mandated missions too.
"Sorry "RSB" but no one is buying into your propaganda. Try selling it on "Wolf Pile" or possibly "Slaughterpa."
Talk about propaganda; you have just dumped a real load of it on that post. What is this the official web site for all the biased and misinformed people that got kicked off of other message boards?
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
"They continually lie about the yearly deer kill. Your asking intelegent people to believe that your agency can derive accurate kill figures when LESS than 40% of hunters return report cards. The PGC has conjured up a "Magical, Mystical Method" of calculation and made NO improvements to the equation in decades if ever. Oh, why doesn't the agency have a 1-800 number for reporting? Or...how about reporting on line?I know, the PGC knows best,..right?"
Your lack of knowledge and biased misinformation is showing again.
As a matter of fact the Game Commission has been legally restricted to only mail in reporting until just this past year when the State Legislature finally changed the law to finally allow for other methods of reporting.
As for the accuracy of the deer harvests the methods of calculating the annual harvests by determining the reporting rate and then factoring that into the actual reported harvest was scrutinized and evaluated by a leading accounting firm and found to be an accurate and reliable method of estimating the harvest. In fact it is more accurate then check stations. We still wish hunters would do a better job of sending in those free and easy to use mail in report cards, I don’t know what could be any easier.
"Your agency allowed Dr. Alt to pursue a state-wide deer program with NO OVERSIGHT! Unheard of anywhere in the United States!"
That is without a doubt one of the most unfounded comments I have ever seen on any message board. There has never been a manage plan or hunting season initiated in this state that didn’t get voted on and approved by the entire Board of Commissioners.
"Only this year has there been any consideration for an Urban Deer Management Plan. I guess that element was simply forgotten by the Great Gary Alt, and all of the deer biologists on staff.
Because of this lack of oversight and accountability, a state-wide deer management program was initiated without first having test studiesor a basic pilot program in which to glean this vital information.
In fact, the proper designation for such an action in the scientific community is often labeled "Junk Science."
Once again you have no idea what you are talking.
There was and is a ton of scientific data to support every management objective in place today. The only place where scientific supported data is lacking would be for those years when the antlerless allocations where cut back in the 90s and for ever allowing buck harvests that allowed the buck/doe ratio to become so out of balance.
"And now we find out that the agency has had secret meetings (JAN-05) with DCNR. Remember, DCNR is the biggest user of DMAP. DMAP was originally intended for privat landowners. DCNR advocates deer densities of ZERO."
Just because the USP and your cronies weren’t invited to the meeting doesn’t mean it was a secret meeting. We have had private meetings with the USP too yet they weren’t secrets now were they?
Besides it doesn’t really matter who the agency meets with publicly or privately to listen to their views on any number of topics as long as we still use sound scientific management principles toward responsible wildlife management objectives. I suspect part of that responsible management also includes having a management plan that allows other landowners to fulfill their legislatively mandated missions too.
"Sorry "RSB" but no one is buying into your propaganda. Try selling it on "Wolf Pile" or possibly "Slaughterpa."
Talk about propaganda; you have just dumped a real load of it on that post. What is this the official web site for all the biased and misinformed people that got kicked off of other message boards?
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
08-06-2006 | 11:57 PM
#26
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RE: Remember PA Guys......
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
"Try and keep in mind that the agency lied when they said PA had 1.6 Million Deer on the hoof."
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
"Try and keep in mind that the agency lied when they said PA had 1.6 Million Deer on the hoof."
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
BTW, it is the PGC that will have to back up the numbers they published if they dispute USP claims of arbirtary and capricious deer management.
There was and is a ton of scientific data to support every management objective in place today.
As for the accuracy of the deer harvests the methods of calculating the annual harvests by determining the reporting rate and then factoring that into the actual reported harvest was scrutinized and evaluated by a leading accounting firm and found to be an accurate and reliable method of estimating the harvest. In fact it is more accurate then check stations.
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
08-07-2006 | 12:27 AM
#28
Joined: Apr 2006
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RE: Remember PA Guys......
ORIGINAL: Mocha Java
You mean that all the numbers that you posted over the years weren't accurate AND YOU KNEW IT? Why then should we believe anything from an admitted b.s.er?
BTW, it is the PGC that will have to back up the numbers they published if they dispute USP claims of arbirtary and capricious deer management.
Too bad that data does not include accurate deer numbers.
Rolling on the floor laughing my you know what off!!! I wonder if the PGC will make that claim under oath?
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
"Try and keep in mind that the agency lied when they said PA had 1.6 Million Deer on the hoof."
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
"Try and keep in mind that the agency lied when they said PA had 1.6 Million Deer on the hoof."
They did? I didn’t know you or anyone else had an accurate count on the deer. Perhaps you can present your accurately counted deer numbers for the USP court case?
BTW, it is the PGC that will have to back up the numbers they published if they dispute USP claims of arbirtary and capricious deer management.
There was and is a ton of scientific data to support every management objective in place today.
As for the accuracy of the deer harvests the methods of calculating the annual harvests by determining the reporting rate and then factoring that into the actual reported harvest was scrutinized and evaluated by a leading accounting firm and found to be an accurate and reliable method of estimating the harvest. In fact it is more accurate then check stations.
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County
08-07-2006 | 07:00 AM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2004
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RE: Remember PA Guys......
No one saidwe had 1.6 million deer last so your calculations make no sense.
Mocha,How would any other method of calculation be any more accurate than the present one?Do you really think states like Ohio have any idea how many deer are shot and and never tagged?
I'm sorry you didn't get your deer last year John.I hope youhave better luck this year.
Mocha,How would any other method of calculation be any more accurate than the present one?Do you really think states like Ohio have any idea how many deer are shot and and never tagged?
I'm sorry you didn't get your deer last year John.I hope youhave better luck this year.