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mike, as funny as that sounds, it could happen.i hope you can see its out to get rid of deer now. no management plans, just kill them off.sport of hunting now is disappearing.but you know, i blame a lot on hunters too.they are shooting small doe and fawns.even tho the PGC lets them do it.most dont have privateland like i do and have deer,IF I CAN KEEP POACHERS OUT,i have same land as stateforestland and i have deer when i can stop outlawing.future dont look to good if deer are reduced .greatest state for deer hunting PA.now going to be a thing of past.

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Sproulman you are so right. This agency (PGC) has mismanaged the deer for years. Where once PA was a major deer state, now we are not even in the top 10.
They mismanaged the Pheasants. Where once PA was a major Pheasant hunting state, now we don't even count.

They have mismanaged the Grouse. Grouse hunting is very poor in Pennsylvania, and has been for many years.

Now in all their wisdom the Pennsylvania Game Commission has decided to put a great deal of effort into Elk. Yes folks. Elk. Forty lucky lottery winners get to hunt Elk in Pennsylvania, or should I say shoot elk off of someones lawn in N.Central PA. WOW! What a hunt!

Whare once PA had OVER 1 Million hunters we now have just over 800,000, and who knows how many less will buy a license this year.

It appears that the "Keystone Cops" have taken over the Pennsylvania Game commission.

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Yep,you guys are so right.The PGC wants all the deer dead so that agency is no longer needed and they can outlaw guns.Who do you suppose will control the deer herd once that happens?Think about what you're saying.They want all the deer dead now but no one to control them in the future.You guys are so whacked out it isn't even funny.

So how exactly did the PGC ruin pheasant hunting and grouse hunting?Did they introduce a disease that killed most of the pheasants?Did they change modern farming methods that hurt the natural reproduction of pheasants?Did they set the seasons and bag limits too liberal?Do they control if we have a wet,cold spring that effects poult survival?

You're right about one thing.They did mismanage the deer for way too long.They did this to appease greedy hunters that wanted deer hunting to be easy.They did this at the expense of the habitat and now every species that depends on a diverse understory is struggling.You have no idea what you're talking about.The PGC is underfunded and understaffed.They can't possibly create all the habitat that's needed under their current budget,It's impossible.Yet many of you want them to be even more underfunded.

Where does most of the funding come from for the elk program?

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"They did mismanage the deer for way too long.They did this to appease greedy hunters that wanted deer hunting to be easy."

So how is baiting going to make deer hunting harder?


"They did this at the expense of the habitat and now every species that depends on a diverse understory is struggling."

Doug, you bought the lie. I have deertraversing my property daily and I have 1 ft oak seedlings galore.
Who's funding the Elk program? Probably the Rocky Mtn Elk Assoc., much to the detriment of the local deer herd.

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Doug, you are fighting a lost battle my friend. Using facts and common sense against anger and frustration (even if it is misplaced) will not work.

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Doud and Bio. You bought into the BS spewed out by the agency.

Revel in it. Gloat if you must.

It's unfortunate that a great many PA hunters (and especiall young hunters)in many areas of the state, without access to private hunting (unlike [70 DPSM]yourselves ) will not even see a deer this coming season.

Dr. (Kevorkian) Alt made deer hunting in PA a sham. And all the kings men on Elmerton Ave sanctioned it. Now several are saying Alt's plan was flawed. Where the hell were these geniuses when Alt was running wild? (I'd hate to have to share a fox hole with those MARYS.)

As far as Pheasants are concerned, has the agency made any serious attempt since the early 80's to reintroduce WILD Ringnecks in PA?
Note, I did not say Sichuan!
Right now with the reintroduction program headed up and funded by PF and a university and the USDA the PGC is playing a (reluctant) very minor roll with NO CASH contribution. Three years running and Cal DuBrock did not budget for it. It's as though they really don't want to have pheasants in any significant number. ( By the way, I don't believe DuBrock hunts.)

Take note, the agency did budget for ELK. How many hunters will hunt Elk this year??? 40?? 50???... WOW!

Pheasant hunting would draw 250,000. Maybe more.

Grouse hunting would draw 100,000. Maybe more.

Justify that ace.

Concerning Grouse, the PGChas a successful 30 year study that shows PA could have Grouse numbers equal to some N.Central states such as MI, WI, and upstate NY if they would only initiate the plan. They wont! Why not? It works GULLDAMNIT!

Why conduct a study, that proved successful, for over 30 years and not impliment it?

After you consult with your PGC handlers please provide logical answers.

Get your head out of the clouds and take a sniff of the ambiant air. That odor from PGC BS will only make you sick!

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After reading the misinformed opinions and (misplaced) anger by Crazy Horse RVN, MikeE51848and sproulmanI have to agree with you Bionicrooster.

I read too much emotion and very little knowledge in their posts, a bad combination.

ChuckS

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Perhaps you should try reading the Grouse Study. The spelling may be better, but the message is the same.

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Mike,I hate baiting as much as the next guy.It's not going to make hunting harder.They're implementing so that deer can be pulled off of the properties where hunter have little to no access.Do you have a better solution?I have no doubt that you have 1 foot oak seedlings galore.i see places like that from time to time but it's a rare occurence throughout the northern tier.The deer have devistated this part of the state andherd reductions werea bitter but necessary pill.No one lied about that.three years ago I thought is was all a big scam butonce you see the facts,it's easy to understand.

I never had access to private land thatwasn't available to anyone else.Most of myhunting has been and will be done onpublic land.i killed 3 deer last year and two of them were on state forest land and one was on unposted private land owned by a timber company.

I agree that alot of what ALT siad was a sham.The guy was a putz and he made ridiculous claims that could never come true.it still doesn't change the fact that we had too many deer in most places.It also doesn't change the fact that we still have some pretty good hunting opportunities on public land.Pheasants,like autum olive is a non-native species.They disappeared for a variety of reasons,all beyond the control of the PGC.How would expect to a broke agency to fund a reintroduction program?

I've read the grouse study.It's a good read and we would benfit by implementing many of the things mentioned in it.Again,who's going to pay for it?Elk county has three full time food and cover guys that are responsible for maintaining all the game lands,food plots and rifle ranges.These guys have all they can handle now and that's the situation in most districts.Without the much needed funding,who's gonna do all this work and who's gonna pay for it?You guys are so lost,it's frightening.

Chuck,I realize it's impossible to change the misguided opinion of people that have no facts to back up their arguments.It's fun listening to their nonsense though.

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Doug,
The PGC was not broke for all of the 25-30 years it has been since wild pheasants disappeared yet they did nothing to reintroduce wild ringnecks. Also, the grouse study concluded that habitat practices that result in plentiful grouse could be self-funding -- something which has nothing to do with the PGC's present financial condition.

p.s. to all who are unhappy with baiting in the S.E. SRA, please post your reasonable suggestions for reducing deer/human conflicts in that area that would result in at least as many extra deer beingremoved as baiting will likely produce.