Delaware Landowners going too far!
#31
I find it ironic that the youth of today think that the gooberman is the place to look when you don't agree on how things are going.You chose to live in an area that has plenty of high paying jobs but you tell the people that live there that they can not cash in on this progression.If these land vales are going up at the rates you express it seems a no brainer buy some land sit on it for 10 years and then reap the profits.
There is no differance it what you want the gooberman to do for you ( provide a place to hunt & fish )than inner city housing for the poor.Neither is in the constitution & neither will work.
There seems to bemore people that want to buy these homes than people that want to save the trees.You might want to move to an area where this trend is reversed.
There is no differance it what you want the gooberman to do for you ( provide a place to hunt & fish )than inner city housing for the poor.Neither is in the constitution & neither will work.
There seems to bemore people that want to buy these homes than people that want to save the trees.You might want to move to an area where this trend is reversed.
#32
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Allston MA USA
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Dumping chemicals is already illegal.And has nothing to do with this thread.Where does the paper we use every day come from,what about the wood to build homes.If she owns the land and pays the taxes on it then they are her trees to do with what she wants.All land is regulated to a point but taking basic rights away from land owners with out fullcompensation is wrong.Its like telling a farmer not to pick his corn because you want to hunt the deer it feeds.
Maybe she just doesn't like trees!
ORIGINAL: jf5
I agree that its her land and she should be able to do whats she sees fit. In this case, I do think she is selfish to not think of the envoronment, but it is her land.
However, On the flip side. Compete "hands off" attitude dosn'talways work when the general welfare of the environment and public are at stake. If I own300 acres of land, and decide to lease it to a chemical company to dump toxins. Is that OK?? After all, it is my land right?? Off course not. Landowners still should be held accountable when their actions effect others.
I agree that its her land and she should be able to do whats she sees fit. In this case, I do think she is selfish to not think of the envoronment, but it is her land.
However, On the flip side. Compete "hands off" attitude dosn'talways work when the general welfare of the environment and public are at stake. If I own300 acres of land, and decide to lease it to a chemical company to dump toxins. Is that OK?? After all, it is my land right?? Off course not. Landowners still should be held accountable when their actions effect others.
Maybe she just doesn't like trees!
Regardless, my expample of chemicals is extreme, but it was to make a point that the "its her land, she can do what she wants" does notwork under all circumstances. There has to be a middle ground...
#33
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From: Wilmington Delaware USA
How much land do you own, Duck? Just wondering.
I have 450 +/- acres...and it's amazing the restrictions ALREADY that the gov't wants to place on my land...and it's in CENTRAL WV.
This post isn't an argument...just wondering if you can shed any insight from your area.
I have 450 +/- acres...and it's amazing the restrictions ALREADY that the gov't wants to place on my land...and it's in CENTRAL WV.
This post isn't an argument...just wondering if you can shed any insight from your area.

Listen, If i havent made it clear enough, i'll try again. I do NOT think that the state should have the right to take anyones property without paying FMV for the land and having the permission of the landowner. But, we all know that the state doesnt have the $$ to compete with private developers. So, they have to come up with a plan that would entice landowners to take less green upfront, to sell to the state so the land can be preserved. I have a few ideas, but i'll post them when im a little less tired. Not that it makes a difference, in not governer (sp).

But I wont back down from what I said about the lady in the article. You dont level 25 acres of wood lots just because your pissed about the state labeling the land as enviornmentally sensative, in fear that you might not be able to make the millions you hoped to make. I'll go as far as to say that, that is just evil. Destory all those trees and landscape other species relied on just to save your wallet???, no way man. Burn in hell. Thats the responsibility landowners take on, whether they like it or not. So many other things are affected by their decisions. They need to take that into account.
I will say this in open forum and I mean it, if the state knocked on my door and said they wanted to take my house and land, were going to pay me FMV or could give me a compensation plan that made me happy to turn the place to open space, I'd take it so fast you wouldnt believe. If they said they wanted to takeand level the property and put a Walmart and offered to pay me double what it was worth, i'd tell them to go to hell, and shoot whoever tried to take it when all the lawsuits ran their course. If the state said they were taking my house 'for the good of all' and paid me nothing, well, i'd fight that too. But I wouldnt destory my property and land to make it inhospitable for wildlife just because I didnt like the options being presented to me. And thats what the woman did in this case. I really hope that doesnt continue across the state.
#34
ORIGINAL: Pro-Line
I have 450 +/- acres...and it's amazing the restrictions ALREADY that the gov't wants to place on my land...and it's in CENTRAL WV.
I have 450 +/- acres...and it's amazing the restrictions ALREADY that the gov't wants to place on my land...and it's in CENTRAL WV.
the old adage(sp) still holds true.... $$ talks, BS walks.....
#35
Trees are a crop just like corn or apples.They just take longer to harvest.Cutting down old forest opens the canopy to sun light which in turn will start new growth.Timber harvest is the best thing you can do to make better deer & small game hunting.
1/3 of an acer , Sounds like if your not living on the edge your taking up to much space.
1/3 of an acer , Sounds like if your not living on the edge your taking up to much space.
#36
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: OKC Ok. USA
We can all agree clear cutting land for spite was a foolish thing to do and doublely so it in that particular case it hurt the local enviroment.
That being said , when did the any govt entity pay fair market value for a piece of land that they claimed eminent domain? Maybe ,just maybe a few times if a person was lucky to have the money to afford a real good lawyer. Guess people who like eminent domain aren't to abreast of happenings in the last few years. Hope some developer doesn't like your nice farm to put up a mall or townhouses because thanks to the U.S. Supreme court they can do just that if the local govt officials like the idea. With most places seeing nothing but read ink today the dangling carrot of a bigger tax base and presto your land is history.
That being said , when did the any govt entity pay fair market value for a piece of land that they claimed eminent domain? Maybe ,just maybe a few times if a person was lucky to have the money to afford a real good lawyer. Guess people who like eminent domain aren't to abreast of happenings in the last few years. Hope some developer doesn't like your nice farm to put up a mall or townhouses because thanks to the U.S. Supreme court they can do just that if the local govt officials like the idea. With most places seeing nothing but read ink today the dangling carrot of a bigger tax base and presto your land is history.
#37
ORIGINAL: Ruddyduck
We can all agree clear cutting land for spite was a foolish thing to do and doublely so it in that particular case it hurt the local enviroment.
That being said , when did the any govt entity pay fair market value for a piece of land that they claimed eminent domain? Maybe ,just maybe a few times if a person was lucky to have the money to afford a real good lawyer. Guess people who like eminent domain aren't to abreast of happenings in the last few years. Hope some developer doesn't like your nice farm to put up a mall or townhouses because thanks to the U.S. Supreme court they can do just that if the local govt officials like the idea. With most places seeing nothing but read ink today the dangling carrot of a bigger tax base and presto your land is history.
We can all agree clear cutting land for spite was a foolish thing to do and doublely so it in that particular case it hurt the local enviroment.
That being said , when did the any govt entity pay fair market value for a piece of land that they claimed eminent domain? Maybe ,just maybe a few times if a person was lucky to have the money to afford a real good lawyer. Guess people who like eminent domain aren't to abreast of happenings in the last few years. Hope some developer doesn't like your nice farm to put up a mall or townhouses because thanks to the U.S. Supreme court they can do just that if the local govt officials like the idea. With most places seeing nothing but read ink today the dangling carrot of a bigger tax base and presto your land is history.
debt is no joke, and payback-day hasn't arrived..............yet.... ask any economist that's credible, and they'll tell whats' coming.....
#38
ORIGINAL: Rem1100
debt is no joke, and payback-day hasn't arrived..............yet.... ask any economist that's credible, and they'll tell whats' coming.....
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You are exactly right.These creative mortages are going to bankrupt alot of people.The gooberment owes a fortune to China ,social security and other hand outs.The baby boomers are done working and now are drawing money instead of paying taxes.As they die there will be a flood of homes on the market , home prices will drop and many people will owe many times what their houses are worth.
Thats when I am selling my trees.

#39
Nontypical Buck
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From: Slower Lower Delaware 1st State
The state(Delaware)has purchased at "Fair Market Value" many thousands of acres that are now protected from the Habitat Rapists.
Its called preservation of open space,habitats,wetlands,and species unique to this area.If states don't buy up land to protect it you can bet the habitat rapists(developers)will bull doze every last SQ foot.
The town I live in is currently in an uproar over proposed annexation of farmland,approx 390 acres.Over 200 area farmers and residents packed into a local restaurant to organize against the annexation.The developer was granted 786 units at 2 units per acre.In the process the developer came back,ask for and received R3 zoning which would allow up to 8-12 units per acre! Hello - Knock - Knock any idiots awake at city council?
Any damn fool that is familiar with roads in lower Delaware knows full well as one farmer put it "There proposing enough traffic to drown us".Thats just the roads not to mention all other public services. This is only one of 2-3 other bone head moves by our illustrious council to annex,rezone and/or approve developement that is outlandish and ill planned.
Bottom Line alot of piss poor business and planning.Land use,density and growth patterns need to be well defined - and - adhered to.
It ain't all about what I have the right to do with my land and screw everybody else.
Numerous state agencys have called my towns plans "Uncoordinated Approach to Planning". Still these Local Yocal town councils and county commisioners continue to annex and build at an uncontrolled rate to increase the tax base.
Back on Topic;
Its not always landowners, its developers who don't give a flyin crap about these communitys they rape and then laugh all the way to bank.
Don't forget our Dead Head local politicians all the way up to the state capital and governors mansion!!
Its called preservation of open space,habitats,wetlands,and species unique to this area.If states don't buy up land to protect it you can bet the habitat rapists(developers)will bull doze every last SQ foot.
The town I live in is currently in an uproar over proposed annexation of farmland,approx 390 acres.Over 200 area farmers and residents packed into a local restaurant to organize against the annexation.The developer was granted 786 units at 2 units per acre.In the process the developer came back,ask for and received R3 zoning which would allow up to 8-12 units per acre! Hello - Knock - Knock any idiots awake at city council?
Any damn fool that is familiar with roads in lower Delaware knows full well as one farmer put it "There proposing enough traffic to drown us".Thats just the roads not to mention all other public services. This is only one of 2-3 other bone head moves by our illustrious council to annex,rezone and/or approve developement that is outlandish and ill planned.
Bottom Line alot of piss poor business and planning.Land use,density and growth patterns need to be well defined - and - adhered to.
It ain't all about what I have the right to do with my land and screw everybody else.
Numerous state agencys have called my towns plans "Uncoordinated Approach to Planning". Still these Local Yocal town councils and county commisioners continue to annex and build at an uncontrolled rate to increase the tax base.
Back on Topic;
Its not always landowners, its developers who don't give a flyin crap about these communitys they rape and then laugh all the way to bank.
Don't forget our Dead Head local politicians all the way up to the state capital and governors mansion!!
#40
So who is it that is buying all these homes?Who really are the greedy folks those that will sell their land or the buyers that will sell their souls for a high paying job in the city.
On one handyou fight to stop people from developing land thenyou admit thatyou own a home on 1/3 of an acer.That is 14520 square feet.Thats a piece of land fourty yards square.
You are right I do see a problem with this.But you seem to be more a part of the problem than I am.Heck I have trees that shade more land than you live on.At 8 houses per acer you would own a 25yard square plot of land.That is really sad.
On one handyou fight to stop people from developing land thenyou admit thatyou own a home on 1/3 of an acer.That is 14520 square feet.Thats a piece of land fourty yards square.
You are right I do see a problem with this.But you seem to be more a part of the problem than I am.Heck I have trees that shade more land than you live on.At 8 houses per acer you would own a 25yard square plot of land.That is really sad.


