What did I do?!? I think you have AJ and I confused, although I do agree with what he is saying. I already said that if the, how do you say it, gooberman, wants to pay me FMV or less with other incentives to take my house, hell the whole development, and turn it back into open space, bring on the bulldozers!Like you said, with all these creative variable rate mortgages, there will be plenty of people going bust and I can get a bigger house somewhere else on the cheap.But yousaid you would gladly sell to developers to have your land turned into McMansions. Even if the 'gooberman' could come up with enough to make you comfortable and incentives to be paid later you said show me the $$$ and would have the land developed. Its your right to do so, but to bitch and moan if the 'gooberman' holds up your sale for just a little while to discuss with you other possible options is just selfish. I NEVER said they should force you to sell to them or stop you from selling to whomever you wanted. I just said maybe you should think a little past the $$ before you did so. You declined. Its your right to do so, but dont expect others to respect you for your decision.

Since you are so smart, i'm sure you figured this out already, but if the housing market crashes the way you expect, your trees wont be worth as much as you are banking on. Maybe you should sell some of the development rights to your land to the gooberman and buy some of those oil futures after all....

I am already being payed for oil futures.Now I am waiting for you young bucks to make the big bucks and get tired of living like sheep.Then you will pay me the big bucks to live like I do now!
Then I am going to Wyoming to never be heard from again.


I knew you would like that!!!!!!!

I'll wade in, as this argumant looks REAL different depending on what side of the fence you live on.

Any person I know who owns a large chunk of ground, myself included, invested an awful lot of money on it. There are some pieces of property coming onto the market that are legacy family owned properties which sometimes can be quite large and are essentially the "estate" of the deceased. From the outside it is easy to point fingers and call "greedy" but on the inside you have real people with real lives and real debt and challenges. When they "sell" they have 3 legit options, what the government can scrape together and the red-tape and timeassociated with it, a development firm or to individual investors.If you can't step up to play and bid on that land, what gives you the right to criticize any of the players? Because you want open space and hunting lands? If you REALLY wanted it for that you'd be working harder and saving more so you could buy it yourself. If you think it is the governments job to do it and the rest of the tax base's job to buy it and keep it open for you then you need to move to some ultra Socialist society and stand in the bread line on Thursday and take your hand outs. This is America, and the OPPORTUNITY to buy is given to us all. If you lack the resources or desire to take part, you are just a bystander on your 1/4 acre spot and your voice isn't worth squat.

The original point of the article was the government's attempt to use "zoning" and land use restrictions to limit what property owners could do with thier land. There are already very specific laws and rules related to building and land use set in place to control environmental impact. What the government was trying to do is control what and how land owners could use their properties, not to protect the environement but to preserve open space and to appease certainconservation groups. For anyone who doesn't think that land and property is an investment, you are dead wrong. Old time farms were purchased for the revenue potential and long term benefit of the families that owned them. Now that their value is less than their actual land value by 1000 times, why do you think it would be wrong to sell them for the same exact reason they were purchased in the first place?

Now, before you rip into me for looking at this without emotion, but essentially a purebusiness transaction, there are choices and options for those who care. A very powerful thing is a group of like minded people with some financial resources. Buy the land, or in the case of the town I live in, we contribute to a "fund" that allows us to quickly move on open space land at the speed and with the funds of a land developer. If we can't afford it or the value is not worth it, we must pass. I think the real problem isn't the people selling the farms, or the developers buying the land.. but the hordes of people sitting on the porches of their 1/5 acre lots moaning about the lost open space but not caring enough to do anything about it and "hoping" for the government to handle it. I call people like that useless sheep..... and you deserve Hillary when you get her.

MA jay You are right about people being the ones that need to solve this problem.The Gooberment causes more problems then it solves.
When these people get tired of living like sheep & raising their kids like sheep they will step up and buy a piece of land for them selves & then lets hear them yell when they are told what they can & can't do with it.

Good luck with your group. Jim

Break out the webcams, I see a tickle party coming on,,,,

How arogant you two are. Calling everyone who doesnt own land sheep just because you all decided to buy some land. Chopping non landowners down just because we like to see land preserved over housing developements. You are right, how evil we are to suggest you take just a little bit less to keep land open. Not just for 'me' but for everyone to enjoy as well as all of the wildlife that would be able to continue to have open space.

Thats right I forgot, to hell with all that, just show you guys the $$$$. [:'(]

Noteveryone - just those that whine, sit and demand the government "do something" about this injustice.

Steve

Step right out your front door , look left ,now look right ,its pretty hard to keep from going BAAAAAA BAAAAA now isn't it.

You are making this to easy.

I never made any mention on how much land I owned? I never mentioned jobs in the big city either.What I'm speaking of is how landowners and the
irresponsible decisions local and state Gooberment can and do make every day with respect to zoning,land devlopemnent,density,the demise of open spaces,quality of life,all for the almighty $$buck$$.

This is not about what I want or need or what any individual thinks they have the god given right to do with there land and the hell with the rest of humanity.

All this talk about land rights with little or no thought on the infrastructure to support it.Thats what this is all about.My thoughts and opinions are in the majority in the state in which I live.

BTW alot of talk about sheep??

I'm not into sheep,but if anybody here is - Hey go for it.

This thread was started to belittle a women that sold her property (trees)with out all of your permission.Not a word was spoken about infrastructure.
Your pal the duckmaster filled us in on his land holdings (1/4 acer) as for you I would say moms house or and apartment.
As you get older & hopfully wiser you will find in a free market the $$$$'s do matter.And by making land undesirable for some you are lowering the tax rate on some & increasing it on others(home owners).The area you live in is being over run with people looking for jobs in the city with $3.00 a gallon gas people will want to live closer to their jobs.I work for myself so I dont drive far so my country living suits me fine,If city living doesn't work out for you move some place that does.

Thats 1/3 of an acre thank you very much!