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hello all,the newspaper here has picture i wrote about on mountain lion here in pa.the paper is called,THE RECORD.IT IS LOCATED IN LOCK HAVEN,PA.the phone no.is 570-923-1500.this lion was seen in the pottersdale,pa.area which is close to keating, pa.this picture was taken last month.this is clinton county,wmu 2g.the picture in the record is to dark for me to put on here do to ink in the paper. they may have a web site or you could call and they will mail you a paper .paper is .60 cents.date is wed feb 15th. i reported seeing a mountain lion at POTTERSDALE, PA 15 years ago. i called the PGC and they said, no way, we dont believe you.for some reason PGC does not want anyone knowing these lions are here in pa. well, now the pictures are showing up and REAL GOOD CLEAR PICTURES TOO.its going to be hard for PGC to continue to deny that mountain lions are not here.pictures are coming in with dates on, the peoples names and locations .

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Do we seriously have to go through this again?

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Yeah! Why not? I find these threads interesting. There is only one answer to the question " Are there mountain lions in PA?" The answer is eitherYES or NO. We debate lots of things in these forums. As long as people debate and try to prove their point, in a civilized manner, more power to them.

When people resort to name calling and insults, then there is a problem. Hey, if there are pictures of mountain lions in PA, I'd like to see them or know where they are at. If someone isn't interested, don't click on the thread.

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Come on NY, if you like talking about bigfoot, you gotta love this stuff too.

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We have a camp not far off the dirt (Keating Mt. Rd) linking Keating and Pottersdale in the Sproul which sounds like this Mt. Lion ground zero huh?

Cool.......here kitty kitty.:)

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I can't find any newspaper named the Lock Haven Record. The local paper there is the Express. Could this be a trolling post? Inquiring minds want to know.

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I found the paper's website but they don't post articles.

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http://www.recordclct.com/

He was going to send me the picture he has but I've been too busy the last couple days.

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its called THE RECORD not the lock haven record.a lion expert has been interviewing people that saw lions here in pa.he will be at the UNIFIED SPORTSMEN OF PA. meeting at milesburg, pa. anyhow,it seems that the POTTERSDALE,PA. AREA is where they are getting most sighting ,also local hunters in renovo area saw a lion in bitumen,pa clinton county WHICH IS ONLY 5 MILES FROM KEATING OR LESS.reports are coming in from hyner,pa. also and cross forks, pa.

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matt pa. this is a big kitty, locals estimate that it is over 100 pds.picture is so good, its HUGE.WHAT A GREAT PICTURE.could this lion be over 15 years old, i think, because when i saw him he was only a little lion about 45 pds, i would guess in 1992 area of POTTERSDALE, PA.

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Funny you bring this up, our local newspaper, "The Lancaster New Era" is running a two part seris on this topic, pretty interesting reads in thier.


I believe either way, but I too am interested in reading on all this!!!

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Sproulman,
Just seeing a couple of full grown primed up Bobcats in that area has been a highlight......a cougar would be something to behold for sure.

I do know one thing, if there IS a cougar on that plateau he's not eating as well as he was 5yrs ago.;)We had quite the tradition every year of chasing whitetails up there for a week during flintlock season right after X-Mas. It's gotten so bad and the places we have to push now for a few deer too dangerous and hard for some of the older guys that we've all but stopped entirely. Nobody wants to kill themselves for the hopes of seeing a handfull of deer for a full day of hard and well planned work.

Sure are enough places for a cat to hide for many square miles, but there are plenty of crisscrossing roads that should reveal more than just a sighting or 2. I do love it up there........where else can you flush grouse, deer, a bear , 2 coyotes, a cow elk and a bobcat all in one single snowy drive! :)

I'll be sure to keep my eyes peeled on future trips.;)

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yes, its very sad what has happened to deer here in wmu 2g,boy, hunting we had .its gone now. i saw total of 29 deer from first day of archery to end of muzzleloader season,4 months hunting about 3 days a week.out of that 29 deer,only 7 were on STATEFORESTLAND.rest were in peoples yards.i only saw 1 crew driving this year. camps are empty in deer saeason now. we get more bear hunters.i see very few grouse here also, no rabbits, a ton of hawks, coyotes,bobcats, fox, owls,eagles.and some turkeys.as for deer,if DCNR has there way here, hunting deer is a thing you will not see.breaks my heart to see what it has come to here in pa. other states are in same boat. there is a movement to kill all deer off now.

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Thanks for the correction and the link.

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EXCELLENT Post Windwalker7 and thank you for it. :)

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Still waiting on some pictures. Is this going to be another thread with out pictures?

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Been hunting the northern woods of PA for a lot of years, and personally don't believe that there are ANY wild cougars here. But that is just my opinion formed by lots of time spent in the woods! There may be one or two out there at this time, but I'm betting that they won't be there long 'cause they were raised in captivity and will either starve or get into real trouble when they go to feed themselves.

There may be some really big woods here in Northern PA., but there are still people here, also. Cougars need lots of room to roam. When someone brings one in on aroof rack and it's proven a wild animal, then I'll believe!

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They've been spotted in WV...and have even been photographed. None have been on my farm that I know of...but that doesn't mean they haven't been around.

I firmly believe that the DNR/PGC has had nothing to do with them...and I'm surprised they deny that they exist. They have busted numberous people in WV and Ohio for turning these type animals loose when keeping them caged up becomes too much work.

I would hope that any state commission would have more sense than to turn loose a critter in a fairly well populated area that is more than capable of eating a human. I HOPE....

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Nice picture. Very compelling evidence.


I'm simply saying there is no concievable way this topic can be covered any differently than it has the last 13 times in the past month. But........ you're right to each their own.... carry on. I'll be anxiously awaiting the "evidence".:eek:[:-];)

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I hunt in that area would like to see one, I lwonder what the price would be if someone carried one out on the " roof rack" as you say.. I live in a much more crowded area than Sproul SF and cougars have been spotted around here and photographed several times, once very close to an elementary school, so why not in the wilds of PA.

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I am pretty sure that if someone did happen to see a Mt. Lion and shot it they would be fined by the PGC. I am not possitive on this so if anyone could clarify I would appreciate it. Also as far as starving to death I don't think that would be the case. I have seen two Mt. Lions in Pa (no I don't have pics and I don't really give a rats a$$ ifanyone believes me) and both were over recent kills. The first was in Lycoming county between slate run and camal. The Lion ran off when we topped a hill so we went back to camp to get the others. When we returned we found a small doehanging fromthe bottom branches of a pine tree. The second was in Juniata county outside of Mifflintown. We saw the cat while spotting. He was laying at the edge of a field when we first saw him at which point he just slowly walked by at about 40 yards. There was deffinately no mistaking it. We went back the next day to look for tracks and found a decent 8 point half eaten with tracks all around it. In fact I cut the antlers off and use them to this day for rattling.

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They would not be legal to shoot.Back in 1986 or1987 they classified all animals that were once indigenous to this state protected unless they were listed as a game animal.Since they were once in this state and arenot listed as a game animal,they are protected.

Mountain lions do not carry their prey up into trees.

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i believe you. without any evidence i am going to go out onlimb and say what i think is going on.all of sudden in last 10 years we have been seeing mountain lions and coyotes.now, we are seeing them almost everywhere.did they migrate in .some say, yes. i say NO. without any evidence only gut feeling.i think PENN STATE had something to do with both.i really do. they want to bring back the state to years ago. look at all hawks and predators you have now here.they did not migrate into state.the DCNR/PGC want the deer killed off. so, you have coyotes and lions now.PENNSTATE released FISCHERS about 10 years ago, yes fischers.so, i guess and only guess that they are involved in this also. they just completed a study on deer here and said we dont know how to hunt.it all leads back, i think to PENN STATE in 1 way or other. i could be wrong but only a feeling.

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Sorry but you're flat out wrong.Coyotes are in every singleone of the lower 48 states.Did Penn state stock them?If so,where did they get them?Besides,they've been here for alot longer than 10 year.It took an act of legislation to approve the fisher stocking and would require the same to stock coyotes and mountain lions.If anyone would stock any animal it would be against the law since no legislation has been approved.Therefore, it is highly unlikely that PSU,timber companies,insurance companiesor anyone elsewould be dumb enough to try it,especially if they put a tag in their ear like so many people claim to see.Show me where PSU wants hunting abolished and Pa restored to a natural state.You're so far out in left field it's scary.

Would it surprise me to see some group of enviromentalwackos take it upon themselves to set a few lose?Nope but PSU or any major industry isn't doing it.

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The wildlife is too important to the economy of PA to let anyone do away with hunting animals

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you have your opinion,i have mine. as long as we dont insult or degrade anyones opinion on here, thats fine with me.you are looking at hunter who has beenin woods for long time.from a great hunting family. hunted the BIG WOODS HERE in pa.when i see something that is not right, i ask why. first PGC said there are no LIONS in woods, now pictures are coming in.we had bugs all over our homes here in last 8 years. we asked, why. no one knew..DCNR says ALL KINDS OF DEER HERE.yet, hunters see very few.penn state says WE DONT KNOW HOW TO HUNT ANYMORE.the deer are here.it even took a LION expert to take the PGC out and show them the LION TRACKS.you know what the PGC said, YES, ITS A BIG CAT.they could not even say,it was a MOUNTAIN LION.HAD TO SAY IT WAS A BIG CAT. doug, not being smart,can i ask you question.why when I reported seeing a mountain lion in pottersdale, pa. 13 years ago that PGC said i was seeing things,no lion.why?they would not even come out and meet with me to take prints.what about all the people that saw mountain lions and were told they did not. now, pictures are coming in like the NICE CLEAR PICTURE IN THE RECORD.what about all the hunters that said they are not seeing deer and yet,the DCNR/PGC says too many deer.it seems that no one believes us anymore or have reason to not acknowledge what you report. its kind of like calling you a LIER,it seems.as for coyotes always were here, i disagree.when we started seeing coyotes here in clinton county 10 years ago,it was all at ONCE. they were seen in that 1 or 2 years in big numbers.now, did they all migrate in at that time?were they here and had all those pups in same 1 or 2 years? its like stocking trout,you walk by a hole and no trout.then comes stocking truck,dumps in trout. now, you see ALL kinds of trout until caught out. please dont take this personel on your opinion.i feel the coyotes were stocked.i feel that someone put lions in here too.i feel someone put all hawks in here too. i feel someone put all the fischers in here too.i feel someone put all eagles in here too.i feel someone put all those lady bugs in here too.who did this,i dont know. i can only GUESS because ones i think did it, say they did not.take care.

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Come on guys. Doesn't anyone have a scanner so they can put up this photo that was in the Record? I hope I'm not the only one who wants to see it?

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Maybe this will help...

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I think that is an erroneous statement.
If anyone has the picture, e-mail me and I willgive you my address. You could mail it to me andI will scan it and post it here.
I would even post the story.

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boy, thats clear picture.is that one from THE RECORD.i could not get my copy to print on here as its so dark in paper. i cant get the original picture back as its being passed around the area.

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I'd love to see it.

Sproulman,I'm not saying there are no mountain lions in Pa.There very well could be.Like I said,i wouldn't put it past some extremist wacko to let some go or for someone to let a pet lion go.That'sentirely possible but it would take an act of legislation to do it legally and PSU and the PGC are not dumb enough to do something as illegal as that.

In 1980 when I was12 my neighbor shot two coyotes of the first day of doe season off of the first drive of the day.We weren't all that surprised because guys were catching them in traps and shooting them on occassion long before that.I know of two sporting goods stores in Tunkhannock that had pictures of them prior to 1980.They've always been here.I hunt Ohio and they have tons of them as well.Who stocked them there?They're also all over the southeast states.Who put them there?

I'd like to think mountain lions are in Pa.I've had more than one reputal person tell me they saw one.I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other.I believe the possibility is there but I've yet to see concrete proof.

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lol, yep sage brush in Clinton County.

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Livbucks,leopards carry their prey up into tree.Mountain lions do not.

That picture was all over the internet last year.At one point it was even stalking a mule deer.I hope that's notthe picture you speak of Sproulman.While you're posting pictures don't forget the one that has a mountain lion of someopne's back porch.That one was on porches all over Pa.

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Dougie,
Sylvan posted that pic to be a wisea$$. I thought it was obvious.
We have all seen that a hundred times.
The aforementioned gamecam pic that was in the paper
will be arriving shortly. Patience!

I think cougars are known to pull their kills into trees, I'll get back on that.

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Not at all. I admit I used to be a skeptic, but when presented with such irrefutable photographic evidence how can I not accept the reality. I'm sure more irrefutable photographic evidence is soon to follow and then you too willhave to accept it as I have.

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T - Now I know who you are, I never forget a face. :D

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Isn't that the same photo that was posted on another thread? It seems that the part to the right where the cougar is stalking a mule deer has been cropped? Perhaps this is just my imagination, and it just looks the same. The vegetation looks suspiciously like that in southwest Colorado. Wonder if it smells like sage?
Sylvan. Everyone likes a little a$$, but nobody likes a wizea$$.

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The DNR can put Coyote, Mt Lion, and even Griz in Pa if they deem fit, the fact they are indiginous gives them the right and no law has to be passed.

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that is NOT the picture from camp here in clinton county,pa.i have picture in front of me.