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You probably won't believe this one because it is from the blame commission, but it is in fact authentic and true, sproulman.

As to the fishers, that is old news, and the blame commission made much press of the fact that they were reintroducing them.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?Q=167499&A=11

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Check out the other "Wolf" post here in the Northeast section for the press releases. This occured in my neck of the woods. They are/were captives that got loose.

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There was a guy down near my hunting camp when I was a kid that had 3 or 4 wolves for pets. He lived on Spring Run Rd, in Weedville, PA just outside out St Mary's, PA. I am not sure of the guys name but it was pretty well known in the area that he poached deer in the summer to feed them. the guy passed away awhile back and I never did here what happened with the wolves but I do know that one of them got loose back when I was like 12 or something. The word was around all the camps around there to shoot it if seen. But, like I said i was a kid then and I don't have any idea what came of it.

There's plenty of land around for a wolf or mt lion to exist for quite awhile before spoted by someone and one wolf in a couple of thousand acres of land is going to be like finding a needle in a haystack but. don't you think someone would shoot it on sight if they did see it. I don't think at the time many people would consider weather they would be fined or not.

There's a guy that lives in Springville, NY that has two wolves for pets and he doesn't try to hide it - they're in a big pen that if you know what you're looking for can be seen from Route 39 between Sardinia and Springville. i figure the guy has got to have a permit or something to have them because everyone around knows about them.

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NOW THAT IS A REAL POST!!!!!

Even though it was done with sarcasm, it is SOOOOO true!

I don't come on this website as much as a few others, but when I do.... I am soooo SCARED!!!!!
The simplicity here is SOOOO FRIGHTENING!!!

Even the ones that post college level curriculum are.....well....(snicker)....HILARIOUS!!!!!

I'm impressed.....nearly!

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;)I'm glad we can be of amusement to you;) What I find truly ironic is the fact that you feel the need to make yourself feel superior to others by coming onto a public forum and degrading those other members who oppose or contradict your views. People like you are actually quite easy to peg. Your only real foray into intellectual conversation is on websites such as this, where you can make witty posts, thus further ballooning your inflated sense of self importance and intelligence.:eek:You also use ;)a ;)vast ;)number ;)of ;)emoticons in a further attempt to add humor to your posts so that you can once again pat yourself on the back at your "superior intelligence" all the while the rest of the worldtruly is laughing...albeit at you. Also, as a side note, when you attempt to use four sylable words to project your intelligence to others please refrain from using those words that are not in context with the rest of thesentence. You see, this would actually offer a glimpse into your true intellect and we wouldn't want that for fear that your left hand wouldn't know what to do if it were not reaching over your shoulder patting your back.:D;):) I guess this all should have been evident though the second I read how you gave a cookie made of dog crap to a little kid...I'm sure that boosted your head one or 2 hat sizes.

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BEARKLR FORPRESIDENT!

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HA! Oh, bearlkr....if you only knew! Some day, when folks are commenting about a certain person affiliated with the sport of hunting here in PA.....you will say "Hey, I know who that is.....Uh Oh!

Good hunting to all!

You made my day, and my memory, with your comically degrading post!

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You should probably keep it that way.

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You're right Gunwalkr, what was I thinking. I mean, why wouldn't I believe someone who is the king of self proclamation. I honestly believe that someday I will hear your name ringing throughout all of PA.:eek: I picture it something like this "The PGC would like to introduce it's newest director (drumroll please)...Mr. Gunwalkr ! We don't really know if he did anything like this before but he posted it on huntingnet about himself so it MUST be true...he even says so himself":D:D:D You know, for someone who blantantly points out others' supposed inferiority in an attempt to portray themselves as intelligent you sure do make this easy...and fun.:D:D

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If he gets to be director of the PGC I want to be Director of the USFWS...

Why should he get all the attention...

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and to think all this started from a picture or lack there of (until 15-20 pages into the thread) a mountian lion!! I still stick by my guns that Mitch Rompola is dropping these critters off in between coming up with his next world record buck ;)

*bearklr, you speak so intelligently on here, how come when Imdrinkin with you all I hear is grunts and caveman noises? :D I cant wait for next weekend in the mountains Ill bring a gallon of Capt!! Maybe well see some mountain lions, wolves, bigfoots's, and a polar bear or two!!!! :D:D

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Like I said with the 1st reply to this thread 22 pages ago.....

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and how about the 2nd responce....

we kinda blew that one too!!! :D:D:D

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mossy, the picture i put on is a mountain lion .i wish too that tail was seen more but that picture was not a bobcat and not put on here to make a fool of anyone,or i would not have put it on.i am fool if that was so.you had to see the ORIGINAL picture minus tail.color, muscles, size.no way a bobcat looks like that,no way. a picture of a bobcat and size is no where near what was in that picture. dogs in pictures that go 80 pds were smaller than the picture of that cat.i dont believe we are looking at bobcat.its just that i never saw bobcat with muscles in shoulder and organish color and one that big. my question is, could a BOBCAT go say over 100 pds and have organish coat and big muscles and rounded shoulder or hump on shoulder?i agree with you, i wish tail was shown more and that would have ended it.but i feel we are looking at montain lion.take care.

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OK jhoffman...I dub thee director of the USFWS.:D:D And NYBH...these threads always end up the same way and I doubt it will ever change but I guess that's the fun of it. There are people who believe they are here and those that don't. People just enjoy writing and debating. I know more times than not, most of the info is just reiterated from one thread to the next but it's still fun and there's always that glimmer of hope for proof.:);) Sproulman, mossy is just being facetious. He's not criticizing the picture rather taking the opportunity to poke some fun. Speaking of which mossy, next weekend up in Lycoming county should be a blast. If you bring the captain I can guarantee we'll see a few bigfoot but I doubt there'll be any lions...they don't exist silly.:D:D:D(sorry, I couldn't resist;):D)

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i was only trying to explain that i am not playing anyone as fool here with that picture.i cant wait until my trail camera comes.

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sproulman,
When you took the picture of the dog, was the camera the same distance away as the camera was from the moutain lion? Was it the same camera or a camera with the same optics? If the answer to either of these questions is no or you don't know then you really don't have any way to confirm a size difference.A blue gill can appear to bebigger than a horse in a picture if the blue gill is close and the horse farther away. You can create the same effect with different optics too. I really don't think you know how far the cougar was from the camera so I really don't think you have a valid size comparison with a dog. I really don't think you can determine the weight of the animal in the picture. In order to acurately measure an object in a picture you need to know2 things. 1) The distance to the object you want to measue. 2) The distance to an object ofknown size.

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sproulman.....i was just messin with ya! You do not haveto explain to me, I just saw a heated debate and had to interject some humor in it. In no way was I trying to oppose what you were posting....I just found it funny that the thread was titled Mt Lion pic and it took me like 15 -20 pages to finally find a picture :DI think all of these posts need some humor in them, heck some of these guys act like this stupid message board is actually WORTH fighting over. I say we should all gather up our pictures of game that we think live in PA (sproulman you can bring that pic of your house cat if you want) :Dand we meet at a bar in Central PA and get hammered. No sense in going overboard over an internet squabble!!!! :D

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All kidding aside... Knowing all of the forest in PA and how many acres of land that are not even accessible by most hunters. Hypothetically - "IF" there is a mt lion or mt lions running around in the wild in PA or in NY for that matter. Is it really that hard to believe that it could roam around for quite awhile before being spotted.

Just on my hunting property in St Mary's PA we have 100 acres of our own, there is another camp which the owner of it passed away and his son's who own the property now live in CA that camp is about 500 acres and is not hunted except for by people out of my camp. On the backside of both of our properties is a easily 1000 acres of land owned by the power authority which is landlocked by our properties so no one can get to it without asking permission from us to use the access rd which is gated and locked.

That is a lot of land that has no human activity on it besides in the immediate camp area for 10 months out of the year.

How many other places are like that in PA and if you think about it I am guessing there are quite a few and some with more land than what I have available to me. I think there are a number of animals that could go undetected for a long time before anyone realized they were there.

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I scanned it again but didn't zoom this time.
I also tried to soften the grain some.

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Of course the range of JUST ONEadult male moutain lion is often over 100 square miles! That's over 64,000 acres.Thereis not a single place in the entire state of PA or NY that has that much land that does not contain houses and traveled roads. We like to think about the "wilds" of PA but to a mountain lion it's a pretty congested area.

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livbucks, look at that front shoulder and top of it on back.i never in my life saw a bobcat that had muscles or hump on shoulder as that baby does.hair from what i see does not look as rough as bobcat or color is very different. can someone put a bobcat picture on here that has the look of this baby. slyvan, on red hawks, yes we did have 1 or 2 back 40 years ago in my county. but NOW, oh my, they are all over.same with coyotes, i never saw a coyote track until last 8 or so years. i saw tons of them ALL in about a year or 2 then. that was my only point not to suggest they are not here back years ago.i never saw a cougar track but saw cougar 13 years ago in same area of this picture.when this permit thing for bobcats started, now i am seeing less bobcats than i have in past.but everywhere i look a see a red hawk sitting on limb waiting to kill a grouse or pheasant or rabbit. last week i saw a fisher.they can run fast.if you see one it will look bigger and longer than a house cat.at least this one did to me.eagles are all over .i never saw that before also.rabbits, grouse, pheasants,squirrreals,deer are going the opposite direction.less each year. my wife used to have hips like a bobcat,now she has them like a cougar,ha. hope she does not read this.look at those hips and back on that cat. dont look at anything but that.i never saw a bobcat that looked like that. also ,look at right ear. i was looking at bobcat pictures and noticed that ears on a bobcat are pointed somewhat.that ear looks rounded.

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Are you sure this photo was taken in PA? As it show no markings of a Bobcat or the Canadian Lynx on its back from what I can see. From what I can see, I think it looks more like a cat that is rare in Florida. Both the Bobcat and the Canadian Lynx should have a short tail sticking straight out behind it in this position and I see none either. I'm not sure but I beleive the cat in Florida is called a Florida Panther or something like that.

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it was difeniately taken at camp in pottersdale,pa in aug of 2005.no hoax here .owners went to newspaper with picture.they are well known and respected people.that i can assure all of us. the one i saw in this area had a tail about 2 ft long and weighted, i would say about 45 pds,13 years ago.this is clearfield/clinton county in wmu 2g.

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do you mean a shoulder hump like the bobcat in this picture?;) Heck, this bobcat is even close to the same color with the same white marks on the back of the ears with the same short tail with the same white underside, the same tufts of hair on the cheeks, the same "rounded" ears...well, you get the idea.;)So sproulman I guess you have now seen a bobcat whith all of those traits that you have never seen in a bobcat before.:DI still believe there are lions in Pa I just don't think this is a pic of one. Sorry but I'm sticking to my guns.

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You now have me convinced buddy the other picture is not very clear but what you show looks the same.

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Are we talking about the pic Livbucks posted above?
IMO it is clearly just a summer coat Bobcat. The tail alone is a dead giveaway......a Mt. Lion tail is of a similar diameter as it's forelegs. This animal has a thin summer coat bobcat length tail.
Even if the thing was stapled to the left side of it's body you would still clearly see the diameter at the base.

Bobcats are very common in this area and even though I hoped to see a Mt. Lion in that picture (since I hunt up there) I immediately saw it as nothing more than a Bobcat.

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Bigfoot here, present & accounted for!



:D;)

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I guess I missed something the first time.
Here is a better scan.
I monkeyed around with a few settings and PRESTO!
A TAIL APPEARED!
So what do you guys think NOW:D;)[:@][:'(][:o][:-][&o]:eek:[X(][>:]:([&:][8D]:)

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Man, I was skeptical before but now there is no question it is a mountain lion! :):):):):)

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I should probably leave a disclaimer with that pic, huh?;)
In case somebody gets wise to my little prank and exposes it
for the fraud it is,[8D] or do you think it is obvious enough for those
who have been around here for a sufficient amount of time.:eek:

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:)Nice crop job Livbucks.:DOr should I say add on;);)

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Livbucks, I can't believe you would attempt to pull one over on us like that. That is without a doubt a fake and I just want ot go on record as being the first one to point it out;) :D..ooooohhhhhhh wait a minute, now I get it, you were doing it on purpose to inject a little humor...silly me.:D:D:D Actually, the funny thing is that even though you made that pic to give us all a good laugh someone will eventually post it on another forum thus creating an entire new argument with a "picture their dad took last weekend at camp". Mark my words.:DI just wish I was there to whitness that one.

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boy, that takes the guessing out of it.very good.

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i see that bobcat has streaks of black in it.that looks like a summer or fall picture.why does the other picture we are looking at not have the black streaks?

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so, without a clear picture of tail length, i guess this picture could be bobcat or cougar?i wish i had more info on like the distance the camera took picture etc.owners are CONVINCED it was cougar. they also have seen bobcats.i know this, that cat was huge in picture and color i never saw on a bobcat.the picture of bobcat here is what i see as a bobcat ,with the black in coat.if this was bobcat , it was orangeish one and huge.i know one i saw there was no doubt it was cougar , i saw the tail and it was round and long but he was running not walking as in this picture.

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That is the thing that bugs me.If someone would show me a bobcat pic with a summer coat that looks like your pic, I would be convinced that your pic is a bobcat. Does anyone have a pic of a summer coat bobcat?

You are SUPERIOR Bearklr!, you walk on the backs of silly people like me.

Not only did you figure out my little prank, you instantly knew my entire reasoning for doing it and all the ramifications of my actions.:)
You sir, are 'DA BOMB!

:):D[8D];)[&:][:@]:([:'(][>:][:o][X(][:-]:eek:[&o]

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What are you guys talking about? Are you playing head games with me? I'm telling Gunwalkr!

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sproulman,
Please forgive my little anecdote but it does make a good point here. I once went to atraining seminarat work that was about techniques for making good observations. One of the things they did in the class room was to suddenly march a bunch (maybe 8 or 9) people through the room, all wearing strange clothing, and doing wierd things. Most were carrying something strange too. We then were given a 10 minute break and when we came back the instructor started asking us questions about the strange people that walked through the room just 10 minutes before.Questions like what color was the cain that the nurse was walking with. You wouldn't believe how often people disagreed about what certain characters were wearing or doing.Not everyone even agreed on how manycharacters walked through. I'll never forget that one of the questions was who was wearing the top hat. I was absolutely certain it was the "guy" with a raincoat and umbrella. I was positive but it turned out that I was simply wrong. Not only about the top hat but the "he" was actually a she. Anyway, my point is that its not unusual for people to be wrong about what they think they sawand be absolutely certain about it. It doesn't make us liars, it just makes us human. Again, sorry for the long story...