Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
01-06-2006 | 04:14 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
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I`ve also done the 10 x 10 plots where my wife hunts and it draws does in. She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence. We hunt on 58 acres so we can`t plant a 60 acre plot. This is why I went with alot of smaller plots. At first I thought I was making bigger RACKS on the bucks but then I started ?ing myself as far as baiting goes. So if it`s a small plot it`s baiting but if it`s a 60 acre or bigger more expensive plot it`s ok? I`m not trying to be an A@S here but just don`t see the difference in it.
I`ve also done the 10 x 10 plots where my wife hunts and it draws does in. She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence. We hunt on 58 acres so we can`t plant a 60 acre plot. This is why I went with alot of smaller plots. At first I thought I was making bigger RACKS on the bucks but then I started ?ing myself as far as baiting goes. So if it`s a small plot it`s baiting but if it`s a 60 acre or bigger more expensive plot it`s ok? I`m not trying to be an A@S here but just don`t see the difference in it.
You answer your own question in this response Stretch. You specifically say you have MANY SMALL FOOD PLOTS. If you didn't have "many" plots the deer would destroy your plots very quickly making them useless.
Even if we assume the deer were heavily attracted to your plots they still have "many" choices as to which one to visit. This is very much the same as deer having many choices as to where to eat naturally occuring foods.
Unlike baiting that is done with high volumes of feed at very few sites, the situation you have described still requires a hunters skills to decide which one of the "many" plots you have planted will be most attractive to deer based on their natural tendencies. This is very simililar to the situations required to hunt naturally occuring foods such as acorns.
She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence.
It is really pretty simple...the deer never saw, smelled, or heard your wife (that is after all every hunters goal).The deer came to a food source, and it ate. That is what deer do 24/7/365.
01-06-2006 | 04:32 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
ORIGINAL: jcchartboy
You answer your own question in this response Stretch. You specifically say you have MANY SMALL FOOD PLOTS. If you didn't have "many" plots the deer would destroy your plots very quickly making them useless.
Even if we assume the deer were heavily attracted to your plots they still have "many" choices as to which one to visit. This is very much the same as deer having many choices as to where to eat naturally occuring foods.
Unlike baiting that is done with high volumes of feed at very few sites, the situation you have described still requires a hunters skills to decide which one of the "many" plots you have planted will be most attractive to deer based on their natural tendencies. This is very simililar to the situations required to hunt naturally occuring foods such as acorns.
What doesn't mmake sense?...Thousands ofdeer come within 5 feet of hunters in a stand every year, especially when the hunters are located near any food source.Whether it happens near a "plot" or any other food source it is not really very surprising.
It is really pretty simple...the deer never saw, smelled, or heard your wife (that is after all every hunters goal).The deer came to a food source, and it ate. That is what deer do 24/7/365.
ORIGINAL: stretchhunts
I`ve also done the 10 x 10 plots where my wife hunts and it draws does in. She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence. We hunt on 58 acres so we can`t plant a 60 acre plot. This is why I went with alot of smaller plots. At first I thought I was making bigger RACKS on the bucks but then I started ?ing myself as far as baiting goes. So if it`s a small plot it`s baiting but if it`s a 60 acre or bigger more expensive plot it`s ok? I`m not trying to be an A@S here but just don`t see the difference in it.
I`ve also done the 10 x 10 plots where my wife hunts and it draws does in. She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence. We hunt on 58 acres so we can`t plant a 60 acre plot. This is why I went with alot of smaller plots. At first I thought I was making bigger RACKS on the bucks but then I started ?ing myself as far as baiting goes. So if it`s a small plot it`s baiting but if it`s a 60 acre or bigger more expensive plot it`s ok? I`m not trying to be an A@S here but just don`t see the difference in it.
You answer your own question in this response Stretch. You specifically say you have MANY SMALL FOOD PLOTS. If you didn't have "many" plots the deer would destroy your plots very quickly making them useless.
Even if we assume the deer were heavily attracted to your plots they still have "many" choices as to which one to visit. This is very much the same as deer having many choices as to where to eat naturally occuring foods.
Unlike baiting that is done with high volumes of feed at very few sites, the situation you have described still requires a hunters skills to decide which one of the "many" plots you have planted will be most attractive to deer based on their natural tendencies. This is very simililar to the situations required to hunt naturally occuring foods such as acorns.
She`s had does come within 5 feet of her next to this "PLOT". It just doesn`t make sence.
It is really pretty simple...the deer never saw, smelled, or heard your wife (that is after all every hunters goal).The deer came to a food source, and it ate. That is what deer do 24/7/365.
Ummm so if I put out as many bait piles as I have food plots which is 5 that are 10X 10 would I be baiting? I`ve got 5 towers on the 58 acres I hunt with each having a 10X10 food plot in front of them. On thanksgiving I`ve had a hunter in each tower and have deer at all the plots. If you read labels of the seeds they all saw attractant. Bait piles and food plots atract deer. Where we hunt there are corn fields and apple trees so it doesn`t make sence that I can plant a plot of food that doesn`t grow in the area and it not be considered baiting. But god forbid if you move some apples into a pile or corn.
01-06-2006 | 04:34 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
The reason I couldn`t believe the deer where within 5 feet from my wife is b/c she was sitting in the tower which sites on a 12 foot wide X 150yard long trail. The deer come right out of Hemlocks(which they used to eat) to get to the food plots. The hemlocks are a natural food source and give them awesome consealment.
01-06-2006 | 05:01 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
ORIGINAL: stretchhunts
The reason I couldn`t believe the deer where within 5 feet from my wife is b/c she was sitting in the tower which sites on a 12 foot wide X 150yard long trail. The deer come right out of Hemlocks(which they used to eat) to get to the food plots. The hemlocks are a natural food source and give them awesome consealment.
The reason I couldn`t believe the deer where within 5 feet from my wife is b/c she was sitting in the tower which sites on a 12 foot wide X 150yard long trail. The deer come right out of Hemlocks(which they used to eat) to get to the food plots. The hemlocks are a natural food source and give them awesome consealment.
If that's the case then I don't think there is a difference between baiting and planting food plots in that manner. A large field, which is where we started I think,is far different than some 10 x 10 patches of food plots surrounded by woods.
Yes, even a field is surrounded by woods but a large field versus a 10 x 10 food plot is different IMO. So with that in mind I guess the size of the food plot mayplay a role in whether or not it's considered baiting.
01-06-2006 | 07:02 PM
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This is why I went with alot of smaller plots.
This is why I went with alot of smaller plots.
I have food plots... 5
Now you are saying you have..5?
I would not consider 5, 10x10 plots on 58 acres "alot" of plots by any means.(100sq feet per 10 acres).
Then you say you have a "tower" over each one.
Yes...this is taking a food plot as close to baiting as it gets.
NO.....this situation has nothing to do with the standard concept of a "food plot" as it is commonly refered to in hunting literature, and more specifically in this post.
Fortunately, it is still better than standard baiting though...
01-06-2006 | 07:19 PM
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I couldn`t believe the deer....The deer come right out of Hemlocks(which they used to eat) to get to the food plots.
01-06-2006 | 07:58 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
ORIGINAL: jcchartboy
Originally you stated you had "alot" of 10x10 plots on your 58 acres.
Now you are saying you have..5?
I would not consider 5, 10x10 plots on 58 acres "alot" of plots by any means.(100sq feet per 10 acres).
Then you say you have a "tower" over each one.
Yes...this is taking a food plot as close to baiting as it gets.
NO.....this situation has nothing to do with the standard concept of a "food plot" as it is commonly refered to in hunting literature, and more specifically in this post.
Fortunately, it is still better than standard baiting though...
ORIGINAL: stretchhunts
This is why I went with alot of smaller plots.
This is why I went with alot of smaller plots.
I have food plots... 5
Now you are saying you have..5?
I would not consider 5, 10x10 plots on 58 acres "alot" of plots by any means.(100sq feet per 10 acres).
Then you say you have a "tower" over each one.
Yes...this is taking a food plot as close to baiting as it gets.
NO.....this situation has nothing to do with the standard concept of a "food plot" as it is commonly refered to in hunting literature, and more specifically in this post.
Fortunately, it is still better than standard baiting though...
My point is that in NY state you can hunt "over" a food plot but can`t put out corn,apples or salt blocks. It doesn`t say you need the food plot to be a certain size. It just says food plots are legal. The 58 acresI hunt does have 5 food plots on it with 5 towers. IMO this is many since 58 acres doesn`t seem like alot of land to me. Sorry to miss speak.
01-06-2006 | 08:04 PM
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I agree strech, your points are all well made.
I really don't think there are too many people in your situation,(using the plots in that manner), nor do I think it is a big enough issue that the state should be worrying about it.
I think you are likely helping the herd, and that it is unlikely you are affecting anyone elses hunting.I believe that you should be allowed a certain amount of discretion assuming those two criteria are met and it is afterall your own land.(private property)
I really don't think there are too many people in your situation,(using the plots in that manner), nor do I think it is a big enough issue that the state should be worrying about it.
I think you are likely helping the herd, and that it is unlikely you are affecting anyone elses hunting.I believe that you should be allowed a certain amount of discretion assuming those two criteria are met and it is afterall your own land.(private property)
01-06-2006 | 08:05 PM
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RE: Baiting vs. Planting Deer Feed - what's The Difference?
ORIGINAL: jcchartboy
Of course they do, why would the deer browse on matter that has very little nutritous value(hemlocks), when they have the option of feeding from nutritionally superior matter only a few feet away?Deer are very capable of deciding which foodsprovide the most nutrition, and will always eat those first when avaiable.That is the reasonwhy most people plant small food plots in the manner you chose. As far as hunting over them that isobviously a different agenda.
I couldn`t believe the deer....The deer come right out of Hemlocks(which they used to eat) to get to the food plots.
so bringing in a very nutritous source like Clover,alfalfa (that`s not natualy in your area) that deer are going to not go to thier normal feeding areas to go to the plots is not baiting? I say bait if you want but saying one isn`t baiting b/c one is larger/better nutriants/costs more$/takes more time/more animals feed off it is crap. Both bring deer in so we can shoot them. So the hunting divide continues. Last post on this topic. Good luck hunting with the 60 acre plots. I`ll stick with my po man 10X10 baiting food plots.
01-06-2006 | 08:42 PM
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so bringing in a very nutritous source like Clover,alfalfa (that`s not natualy in your area) that deer are going to not go to thier normal feeding areas to go to the plots is not baiting? I say bait if you want but saying one isn`t baiting b/c one is larger/better nutriants/costs more$/takes more time/more animals feed off it is crap. Both bring deer in so we can shoot them.
so bringing in a very nutritous source like Clover,alfalfa (that`s not natualy in your area) that deer are going to not go to thier normal feeding areas to go to the plots is not baiting? I say bait if you want but saying one isn`t baiting b/c one is larger/better nutriants/costs more$/takes more time/more animals feed off it is crap. Both bring deer in so we can shoot them.
As you well know most hunters create "bait" piles with thesole intention of hunter over top ofthem....
Noteveryone that plants 10x10 foot plots in the woods is doing so, so that they can siton top ofthem and shoot deer in them.The reality is, that very few people do that. The example you are describing is the exception, not the rule.
You must have missed the part where I said what I think of the specific situation you are describing...wherea tower Blind is built over top of the site for the specific purpose of shooting deer in the food plot......
ORIGINAL: jcchartboy
Yes...this is taking a food plot as close to baiting as it gets.
Yes...this is taking a food plot as close to baiting as it gets.