I was told he had 10 days to sign or veto it and if he didn't it became law without his signature.

I get the feeling that it will die a slow death and won't happen, at least not this year, so don't put those slug guns away just yet.....And Oak Duke-welcome to this forum, look forward to your input! See you on the hill!

I am for the rifle bill, but will still have my 870 Express with the 23" Super Slug barrel as my primary weapon. My, hopefully if the bill passes and get one, Remington 700 .308 will be my back up. If the bill doesn't pass, I will have my Knight DISC Elite .50 cal. as my backup if the reliable 870 does fail.

A week and a half ago I got my NY Outdoor News. They finally covered the bill, and in full force. Half the paper was about the bill. It said in there that Pataki has 10 days to sign it and hasn't looked at it yet. Hopefully when I get the next edition this Thursday a final decision will be made.

Well you learn something new every day!

BASIC BILL PASSAGE PROCESS
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1. The bill is introduced (First Reading) in either the House or the Senate.
2. The bill is assigned to a Committee.
3. The Committee takes testimony on the bill and makes recommendations to the full chamber.
4. The bill is read again (Second Reading) and is adopted or rejected.


5. If the bill is adopted, it is read a third time (Third Reading) and is adopted or rejected. If the bill fails to pass on Third Reading it dies. If the bill passes, the bill moves to the second chamber and the process is repeated.


a. If the bill is amended in the second chamber it is sent back to the originating body where they must concur with the changes. If they concur, the bill proceeds in the second chamber to Third Reading. If the original chamber does not concur with the changes, a Conference Committee is appointed to settle the differences. If no compromise is reached, the bill dies.


6. If the bill passes the second chamber it is sent to the Governor. The Governor has four options when the bill arrives on his desk.

a. The Governor can sign the bill into law, or it becomes law after a period of 60 days passes without the Governor's signature.

b. The bill can be amended through the Governor's Amendatory Veto powers.

c. If the bill is an appropriations bill, the Governor has the option of using his Line Item or Reduction Veto.

d. The Governor can veto the bill in its entirety.
7. If the General Assembly wishes to override the Governor's veto, it takes a 3/5ths majority vote during the Fall Veto Session.

well at least we know we are on step 6 of 7.

Pretty myopic. If hunting access is lost over this, it will NOT be worth it.

I like guns as much as the next guy, but if you think that using a rifle is going to get you that deer you couldn't get with a scoped, rifled shotgun, you're in for a big surprise.

Everybody seems to be looking for the easy way out these days, rifles instead of slug guns, inlines instead of sidelocks, crossbows instead of bows, whatever makes it simpler.

You could just try setting up at the correct end of the field with your slug gun, you know. Of course, that would take some actual time and effort and hunting skills.

If you looked at what Knight offers on their DISC muzzleloaders, their safety system is 100% reliable if both safety systems are engaged. Your older style blackpowder guns don't exactly give you that guarantee. Some of us would like to make it home at the end of the hunt if we happened to slip and fall walking up a hill.

Let's assume that is as big a deal as you suggest....

That's not the point. Triple pellet loads, 209 primers, scopes, and especially saboted bullets have transformed the muzzleloader. You don't need a rifle law, you already have a single shot rifle!

Some of US would like to make it home at the end of the night, too. Adding more and more range to hunting weapons increases the risk, as well.

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