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RE: New York rifle bill passes: UPDATE
I dont think that mandatory BO would make much difference in NY I think voluntary BO use puts a level of uncertanty into the shooterand forcedresponsible hunters to more closely scrutinize (thanks to a level of uncertanty) the situation before they fire |
RE: New York rifle bill passes: UPDATE
nybowhunter do you wear b o during bow season ? turkey hunters might think that you are a big turkey in a tree and fire away .I'm just making a point that some people are putting way too much intoblaze orange , you got to teach from day oneknow your target and beyond for the record when I'm hunting on the ground esp. doing drives yes I've got blaze orange on but if I'm sitting in my treestand I'm in camo
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RE: New York rifle bill passes: UPDATE
Get Real. How can you aregue with a statistic as simple as 7 out of 10 hunting accidents occured when BO was not in use. To even argue that you are not safer wearing it is ludicrous and to not wear it by choice is worse. But what is really bad is that because you are comfortable with risking your own saftey you think that everyone else should be. Touching on the issue of teaching people the right way to do things from the start, I dont believe the people that will cause the accident are responsible enough to decide what is and isnt safe. That is where it becomes neccesary to create rules to protect the majority from the minority.
Stating that mandatory blaze orange is a bad idea basically discredits the "initial training" that hunters receive. BO is reccomended in every hunting safety course. They even reccomended it in my bow course. You are undermining the training that you suggest and speak so highly of. If elders dont take these rules and reccomendations seriously then why should the young or impressionable hunters do anything but follow their poor example? Please someone explain to me the logic that is used to conclude you are no safer in BO than Full Camo. If you can succesfully do this I have a job opening available. A well paying job. |
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This is directly related because it is one of the reason many of us dont like the idea of rifles in the southern tier. There are too many people But from your (cma3366a) comments i can tell you hunt mostly private land and cannot be concerned with the issues that effect us lowly state landers.
Last i checked you arent a mod so until one tells me to post elsewhere ill continue the closely related debate of rifles in teh southern tier and BO. As seen in the BO post you created here is my original repsonse. See I am looking a little deeper. I go by the line of thought that i am more likely to see another hunter who is wearing blaze orage than one who isnt. That said, You are saying that you are more comfortable with full camo. The entire purpose of full camo is to go unseen. how can i be 100% sure that you are not in the background of my shot if you are invisible to the human eye. The only part of your argument that i partially agree with is that you shouldn't have to wear it on private land. Although that brings int account an entirely new set of considerations. Tresspassing is typically not done in blaze oragne. Youare still taking the risk that tresspassers will not be seen or considered because you are operating under the assumption that the woods are empty. If blaze orange were mandatory it would make tresspassing that much harder. But the fact remains teh rule isnt there for the people who spend the time to debate over it. It is there because of the people who cannot and will never be capable of conducting themselves in a manner that you or I would see fit. Those people are the reason that I wear orange and will continue to do so. You cant teach tehse people anything they are not interested in learning. Think about it for a moment. Hoow many times have you come off of state land and said to yourself.....Wow that was probably the guy spewing round after round into the forest all day. That is the guy that makes me want to wear blaze orange and i want him in a pumpkin suit. The whole thing about hunting being a dangerous sport is nonsense. It is not a dangerous sport and it could be alot safer than it already is. But im sure you didnt mean taht it was inherently dangerous, you were just trying to make us BO advocates look bad because we fearwacko hunters. If you didnt fear these people you would be the crazy one. |
RE: New York rifle bill passes: UPDATE
ORIGINAL: thesource ORIGINAL: Bill Yox I personally probably wont be able to take advantage of a rifle season here in NY, but Im not against one either. Ive always been a proponent for weapon efficiency, out of respect for the animal. I don't agree with those who imply we need one, however. Modern slugs and slug guns have closed the gap with rifles by a lot. Slugs are ruthlessly efficient deer killing machines, provided the guy behind the trigger knows what he's doing. You're right, there's lots of folks who just like rifles (I'm one, too.) But there's also a lot of folks who want rifles so they can blaze away at that deer on the other side of the field, too. Shotgun only rules were put in place to limit the range of hunting weapons in fairly populated areas for safety purposes ... what's changed? |
RE: New York rifle bill passes: UPDATE
ORIGINAL: WNY Bowhunter I've taken 2 big mature does (on nuisance permits) in the past two years with a borrowed 30.06. I hit both rightthrought the back of the shoulderwith 180-grain bullets...the first one literally fell on her butt and tipped over backwards and the other dropped andcrawled a few yards and that was it. I've had the same thing happen with slugs too. I've seen a ton of deer hunts on video where the deer have run off after being hit with a rifle and I've seen a bunch where the hit the ground like a ton of bricks too. Rifles definatelyaren't a total cure all for droppingdeer in its tracks. I'm still not jumping on the pro-rifle in the Southern Tier bandwagon either. You're right, there's lots of folks who just like rifles (I'm one, too.) But there's also a lot of folks who want rifles so they can blaze away at that deer on the other side of the field, too. If it passes it passes....but I still don't like the safety issues, I don't like the idea of all of the yearling bucks in the county being taken out of the pop. (sounds like PA prior the implementaion of AR's) and I certainly don't like how the DEC has managed to sneak this bill into legislation. |
RE: New York rifle bill passes: UP"DATE
ORIGINAL: B&C Wanna B This is directly related because it is one of the reason many of us dont like the idea of rifles in the southern tier. There are too many people But from your (cma3366a) comments i can tell you hunt mostly private land and cannot be concerned with the issues that effect us lowly state landers. Last i checked you arent a mod so until one tells me to post elsewhere ill continue the closely related debate of rifles in teh southern tier and BO. As seen in the BO post you created here is my original repsonse. See I am looking a little deeper. I go by the line of thought that i am more likely to see another hunter who is wearing blaze orage than one who isnt. That said, You are saying that you are more comfortable with full camo. The entire purpose of full camo is to go unseen. how can i be 100% sure that you are not in the background of my shot if you are invisible to the human eye. The only part of your argument that i partially agree with is that you shouldn't have to wear it on private land. Although that brings int account an entirely new set of considerations. Tresspassing is typically not done in blaze oragne. Youare still taking the risk that tresspassers will not be seen or considered because you are operating under the assumption that the woods are empty. If blaze orange were mandatory it would make tresspassing that much harder. But the fact remains teh rule isnt there for the people who spend the time to debate over it. It is there because of the people who cannot and will never be capable of conducting themselves in a manner that you or I would see fit. Those people are the reason that I wear orange and will continue to do so. You cant teach tehse people anything they are not interested in learning. Think about it for a moment. Hoow many times have you come off of state land and said to yourself.....Wow that was probably the guy spewing round after round into the forest all day. That is the guy that makes me want to wear blaze orange and i want him in a pumpkin suit. The whole thing about hunting being a dangerous sport is nonsense. It is not a dangerous sport and it could be alot safer than it already is. But im sure you didnt mean taht it was inherently dangerous, you were just trying to make us BO advocates look bad because we fearwacko hunters. If you didnt fear these people you would be the crazy one. I have had the exact feeling when hunting rifle country......... [:o] Just wanted to get out of the woods! Scary people out their. |
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ORIGINAL: cma3366a Regarding the blaze orange debate, as others have said, this is the rifle thread, please keep the discussion aimed toward the rifle bill. I am opening a new thread regaurding BO in NY, so please take any responses, retorts,and arguments there;):D The biggest reason voiced here to oppose rifles is percieved safety issues. NOTHING is more basic to safety than blaze orange. If the pro-rifle side didn't keep bringing up PA rifle safety, I would not be forced to keep pointing out that PA has mandatory blaze orange. |
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