RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

So if there are 17 deer in Pa now, will 1,000,000 doe tags be enough?;)

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

BTbowhunter is no longer allowed to drive on the full moon in G2!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

I'ts just you & me ddear . I see your still out there .No ideas or are you just havin a brain fart??? Take a shot.[:o]

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

Better recalculate your deer model. I drive a Chevy!
And I have it all sighted in just a waitin for the next full ( )( )moon!!!

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

Well ddear I get you up on stage hand you the mike and you get stage fright like Michale Jackson at a K.K.K. meeting.

It seems easy to point out others fault then hide from any responses on your own ideas.I didn't think you would have any points of intrest just keep beating that dead horse.

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

Stop - LMAO - Stop It

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

Well let's see if you can be fair and objective.

The first thing the PGC should do is establish the true carrying capacity of all the habitat the deer utilize ,instaed of basing the goals on just forested habitat as they have for the last 25 years. If you are fair ,you will agree that WMU 2F and 2G have the worst habitat in the state ,but yet their avg. OWDD goal is 16 DPSM,which is the highest in the state. The combined land area of the 2 WMU's is 6,524 SM compared to the remaining 38,476 SM in the rest of the state that has a goal of less than 12 DPSM. So if the PGC raised the OWDD in the rest of the state to 16 DPSM , 38,476 SMx4 DPSM= 153,904 fewer deer that have to be removed from the herd.

I would also launch a state wide educational campaign to inform land owners that if they want to have hunters control the herd ,they have to allow hunters access to their property. Alt blamed the hunters for being lazy and inept ,but he never placed the responsibility for excess deer on property owners who restrict access.

I would also survey ever hunter on their license application regarding their support for AR's. If over 50% support it then it should be continued . But, if 51% rejectected Ars it should be discontinued.

I would also manage SGL for the production of all species of wildlife rather than for the max. revenue from timber harvests. At the same time I would work to get the SGL timbered certified for max. revenue just like DCNR forest land.

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

DD- i like your plan. i would like to add to go along w/ your private land access to go farther and for SGL's.. they are getting better and opening up more roads but they do it the day before the season.. how is anyone going to scout that area, and learn it..

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

BT,give me a call when you get that chebby stuck in 2G,I'll come and pull ya out cause I know you'll have some beer with you.:D
Call me at 1-800-ram-pull
For more info- www.pulloutchebbys.com:D

RE: PGC and Gary Alt' Newspaper comments?
 

I was reading thisthread and the othertopic from T in Pa3 (nice referrence Todd, thanks) that was locked, with the picture and link to the forrest study and noticed one thing that was very obvious...you guys don't like ddear too much. ;)

To be honest, I think the Pa deer herd needs reduction in some places, but that is only half the problem with the lack of new growth...the dominance of old growth trees and the resulting canopy that prevents sunlight from reaching the ground is just as responsible for the lack of regeneration as the deer are, at least in area's of old growth timber.So both should be addressed equally. If a plan was enacted to reduce the deer numbers as well as implementstrategic selective cuttings, deer numbers would not have to be so drastically reduced. Any QDM manager or habitat specialist worth his salt will tell you a certain amount of cutting needs to be done from time to time to maintain a healthy ecosystem, and provide food and cover for wildlife to thrive there. You could kill every deer on the mountain and still have very little new growth if you don't open the canopy.

As for the problem you all seem to have with ddear...I don't know what happened in the past, butin this threadI see a guy who's got his facts pretty muchin order, and those who don't like those facts taking a bunch of pot shots at him (and one of them is a Moderator which is kind of unsightly [:o])because they really can't dispute the numbers. Sure, some of the stuff is taken out of context a little, but no more than what the other side does to distort numbers to bolster their position. In fact, from what I'm seeing, there is less out of context material presented byddear than the other side, and a bunch of malcontents ganging up to belittle him because they can't refute his numbers with their own. If you don't like his numbers, come up with some of your own to disprove his claims, don't just throw insults around. Many of us here are still open minded on the subject and would like to see something to prove otherwise, not just mudslinging against the only person to provide data.

AJ, you might want to re-examine some of the things you've posted because you have been clearly wrong on a few positions. I personally think that is why you locked the other topic...because when you realizedddear was right about the math of the percentage of clearcuts that showed regeneration, you needed to shut it down. Maybe I shouldn't be pointing that out to a moderator, but hey, we all put our pants on one leg at a time, and if someone can't take being shown to be wrong, maybe they should be more careful about what they post. Maybe ddear isn't right all of the time, but in this topic and the locked one, he seems right to me. At least as a neutral observer that's what I see.

And I had no opinion about Gary Alt, but I did follow the whole thing closely since the beginning, and he was wrong about as much as he was right. My opinion after seeing the results of his program was that he was nobody special because he was only right half the time...even I could do that. He did have alot of ambition to spearhead the program that, from my view, turned out to be only half thought out. I think he pushed too much too fast. Smaller WMU's should have been in place first, where more control could have been exerted over the program he wanted to implement. I think PA needed smaller WMU's because the whole state didn't need the drastic reduction he was pushing, and it could have been tailored to area's that did need it. It would have had more support from hunters and he may still be doing the job. Rome wasn't built in a day, ya know.

His biggest mistake was ramming it at people who were not convinced, andin the process making enemy's of the people he needed support from, and that is what prevented him from doing his job. Now, he is standing on the sideline throwing mud at everyone and anyone who didn't take kindly to being force fed something that was only half-baked to begin with. Any respect I had for him in the outset is long gone...and Gary Alt needs to be as well.

Oh yeah, and Dodges are great trucks. :D