As we have learned in the past deer managment is something that should be left to the experts , trained professionals.

If some of these equations seem overly simple don't jump to conclusions, believe me they are not.The true answers are very hard for the normal hunter( as innot a trained proffesional)to understand.

Just wait , one day the forest will be so lush with neo tropical birds and fauna that the deer will all live in the fields with horns to large to pass between the regenerating oaks.Hunting will be simple just head to your local field and pick one out.The bucks will be mighty and those pesky old doe will be begging to be shot before another rut comes around.

Great huntin!!!!!!!!!!

The so called experts always get to manage the herd , but the sad part is they are often no better than an armchair biologist with no formal training.

Alt was wrong about the following items:

1. The reason for late breeding.
2. The B/D ratio prior to AR's.
3. The projected benefits of AR's.
4. The effects of the increased anterless harvests on the OWDD.
5. The effects of HR on future buck harvests.

So the so called expert that had no respect for the hunters or previous deer managers was wrong ,more than he was right and now he wants to be the PGC's worst nightmare.

Now that's funny! Git er' done!

ddear,

I realize it is alot to ask but could you briefly touch upon each of the subjects you mentioned.

1. The reason for late breeding. Alt said that late breeding was due to a skewed B/D ratio ,when the fact is the vast majority of late breeding is due to fawns being bred fron Dec. to Feb.

2. The B/D ratio prior to AR's. Alt said the B?ratio was skewed and there wasn't enough buck to breed the doe. Dr. R. said the exact opposite because our adult breeding B/D ratio before AR's was 1:2.1.

3. The projected benefits of AR's. Alt said AR's would reduce late breeding,double the number of 2.5 + buck and double the number of 8 ps. and it didn't come close.

4. The effects of the increased anterless harvests on the OWDD. Alt said the increased anterless harvests allowed to increase to 1.6 M PS deer,when in fact the harvests reduced the OWDD by more than 20% as shown by the decreasing buck harvest.

5. The effects of HR on future buck harvests. In 2002 Alt said the buck harvest would return to normal in 2003,but it continued to decline in 2003 and declined even more in 2004.

Hey ddear its a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it.

You are now three months past anal on this.[]

You may think Alt's comments were a joke, but some of us actually care about the future of deer hunting in PA ,even though you may not. You may also think you are a phyciatrist but your not ,so keep your diagnosis to yourself.

DD, i care so much also.. but the thing is people like Alt(im staying on topic) dont.. they could careless about the future hunting in PA..

1. I would say most who have studied nationwide QDM practices understand late breeding IS and CAN be due to skewed b/d ratios.

2. If your going to spout ALT said this and that, post the quote here from the exact source.

3. ALT was exactly correct in his statement unless your deer in PA are some exoctic breed. You cannot expect to see immediate results in all areas of QDM. That's a foolish assumption.

4-5. Boring - Boring Simply conjecture and speculation on your part with little snips that again say - ALT said this and that.

Pure and simple propoganda ddear

1. If QDM'ers believmost late breeding is due to a skewwd B/D ratio of 1;2.1 , them they don't know as much as they think they know. PA studies clearly show that breeding of fawns occurs after the vast majority of adult doe are bred . The more fawns that are bred ,the more late born fawns there will be.

2. Alt gave many species that are not available in print ,just like newspaper articles. Therefore ,it is unfair to demand exact quotes when you don't do the same for Alt supporters.

3. We do not have a QDM plan in place in PA. No QDM manger would set a goal of 12 DPSM which produces a harvest of 2 buck PSM. If you were familar with the data from PA you would know that both buck and doe harvests are declining and the 2.5+ buck harvest will decrease this year.

4. It may be boring to you since you don't live in PA. But to those who live and hunt here the future of deer hunting is at stake and Alt is doing his best to destroy the PGC.