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Welcome to Illinois, guys.

We do have alot of the same probs. but we do have a cap on NR permits, but who knows for how long. Outfitters are an epidemic here, and finding(more importantly KEEPING) hunting land has become a struggle.

Regardless of what some people(non hunters) think, unlimited NR tags and increasing land for outfitters does not inprove the economy.

When you think of the % of people across the nation that are hunters, then the percent of those that would travel to Kansas, how much money do they think this will bring in? Can anyone name a state that can prove that NR hunting ALONE has improved the state economy a substantial ammount? NR hunting has been a real issue in the past few years here in IL, and things are not looking good for us. I have never gone out of state to hunt deer, and since I know how I feel about NR's, I probably wont travel for a deer hunt.

Crap, you are right, ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN.

Crap...Imissed!, it was a joke and I know that posting how good the hunting is in Ks. here on this forum, or any other for that matter, isn't going to change the number of vistiors to Ks. much. I was just trying to yank Wolfens chain a bit. I hunt on the family farm not too far from Ks. Hunter's territory, and sad, or is it, to say, yes there are good bucks in that area. I guess it's a sign of changing times, some of the ground that I hunted while growing up was leased up last year, so I too see the impact of outfitters moving in. And Crap...Imissed, know offence taken, I may be west of the border, but my roots are still there!

I've hunted Kansas the last 2 years and will continue to apply. However, if they go OTC I will not be going there anymore. The NR limit is the reason I go. There's no shortage of OTC states with crappy deer herds close to home. Sure hope the policies don't change significantly.

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I also hope kansas does not turn into an OTC state. It would bring money into the state, but also create a deer herd with less quality.

A couple years back I went to a KSHA meeting. And there was a big discussion on this topic since people from the ks department of tourism were also there. They said hunting was in the top 5 for money brought into the state and the top 5 for attractions in the state. So if somebody just wanted to bring money into this state, OTC NR tags would be a great way to do it. I just hope the KDWP looks at what it would do to quality of the deer herd first .

Here in my county there isn't a lot of land that is leased for hunting, that i know of. I do hope it stays that way.