Best all around optics setup
07-23-2014, 07:51 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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Best all around optics setup
In the past every time iv bought a gun it was for one specific purpose. My tc triumph for deer hunting ie omega bdc 3-9 to 9 zoom. Glocks for carry 10/22 mainly plinking. Shotgun for turkey. My ar is alittle different. I want to target shoot both long range (as far out as I and it can shoot) and kinda mid range fun shooting and like target transition between say 2 or 3 targets verying ranges. Then mainly for hog hunting.
Im unsure of how I want to set up the optics/ sights. Right now its a flat top with the normal fixed gas block/front site. Im thinkin.
1. Flip up iron sights for mid range target shooting and like a 3-9 zoom scope. Doing this I would need to remove the scope to use the iron sights.
2 the 3-9 power for hunting/ long range target practice. then a simple scope with a wide view with like a 2-5 power zoom for close range. Since I would need to remove a scope to use the iron sights anyway.
3 find one to fit all my needs. Is there a scope that will do that.
Also what scope would you recommend for said uses. Im open on price not gonna buy a tasco walmart pos but dont wonna sink a grand on a scope. For long range I dont have a problem with say 300-500 if need be. Id like to get one thats good with turrets if possible for my price.
So what you all recommend.
Im unsure of how I want to set up the optics/ sights. Right now its a flat top with the normal fixed gas block/front site. Im thinkin.
1. Flip up iron sights for mid range target shooting and like a 3-9 zoom scope. Doing this I would need to remove the scope to use the iron sights.
2 the 3-9 power for hunting/ long range target practice. then a simple scope with a wide view with like a 2-5 power zoom for close range. Since I would need to remove a scope to use the iron sights anyway.
3 find one to fit all my needs. Is there a scope that will do that.
Also what scope would you recommend for said uses. Im open on price not gonna buy a tasco walmart pos but dont wonna sink a grand on a scope. For long range I dont have a problem with say 300-500 if need be. Id like to get one thats good with turrets if possible for my price.
So what you all recommend.
07-23-2014, 08:38 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm... All of the close range FOV that you need for short range work, but still enough zoom to get you to 1,000yrds. Good resolution, respectable tracking, good clarity, and great light transmission. Only has 50MOA of adjustment, so you'll need an angled base to get max range out of your 223rem AR (not uncommonly short, actually more adjustment than many scopes in its class - I'm just spoiled by Leup's with 94MOA elevation).
Personal opinion from me would be that if you have a 2-5x or 2-7x and a 3-9x for the same rifle, you wasted your money. The difference in 2x vs 3x FOV for short range work is almost nothing, especially considering many of the 2-7x or 2-5x scopes are smaller objectives like 32mm, whereas a 3-9x50mm with a 30mm body can have nearly the same FOV but even better light transmission. If you're really looking for a double scope set up, with the option for folding iron sights (which makes for a heck of a lot of investment into one rig, considering the money troubles you've described in the past, AND a heck of a lot of gear to haul around), then I'd look at either a 3-9x or 3.5-10x50 or 56mm 30mm body short to mid range scope, maybe even a 4-16x, or less likely, a 2-7x, then a 5.5-20x50mm or 6-24x50mm scope for the longer range work.
But... For the money, you'll get more versatility and a better scope by going with the Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm Elite.
Personal opinion from me would be that if you have a 2-5x or 2-7x and a 3-9x for the same rifle, you wasted your money. The difference in 2x vs 3x FOV for short range work is almost nothing, especially considering many of the 2-7x or 2-5x scopes are smaller objectives like 32mm, whereas a 3-9x50mm with a 30mm body can have nearly the same FOV but even better light transmission. If you're really looking for a double scope set up, with the option for folding iron sights (which makes for a heck of a lot of investment into one rig, considering the money troubles you've described in the past, AND a heck of a lot of gear to haul around), then I'd look at either a 3-9x or 3.5-10x50 or 56mm 30mm body short to mid range scope, maybe even a 4-16x, or less likely, a 2-7x, then a 5.5-20x50mm or 6-24x50mm scope for the longer range work.
But... For the money, you'll get more versatility and a better scope by going with the Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm Elite.
07-24-2014, 07:29 AM
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I like your idea of the 4.5-30. God I had no idea they had one that was 4-30 power. I agree two scopes is a big investment likely causing me to go with two mid quality scopes vs one good one. I think ur idea is likely the right idea. do they make a bdc scope for ars. I loved it on my muzzleloader.
Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm... All of the close range FOV that you need for short range work, but still enough zoom to get you to 1,000yrds. Good resolution, respectable tracking, good clarity, and great light transmission. Only has 50MOA of adjustment, so you'll need an angled base to get max range out of your 223rem AR (not uncommonly short, actually more adjustment than many scopes in its class - I'm just spoiled by Leup's with 94MOA elevation).
Personal opinion from me would be that if you have a 2-5x or 2-7x and a 3-9x for the same rifle, you wasted your money. The difference in 2x vs 3x FOV for short range work is almost nothing, especially considering many of the 2-7x or 2-5x scopes are smaller objectives like 32mm, whereas a 3-9x50mm with a 30mm body can have nearly the same FOV but even better light transmission. If you're really looking for a double scope set up, with the option for folding iron sights (which makes for a heck of a lot of investment into one rig, considering the money troubles you've described in the past, AND a heck of a lot of gear to haul around), then I'd look at either a 3-9x or 3.5-10x50 or 56mm 30mm body short to mid range scope, maybe even a 4-16x, or less likely, a 2-7x, then a 5.5-20x50mm or 6-24x50mm scope for the longer range work.
But... For the money, you'll get more versatility and a better scope by going with the Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm Elite.
Personal opinion from me would be that if you have a 2-5x or 2-7x and a 3-9x for the same rifle, you wasted your money. The difference in 2x vs 3x FOV for short range work is almost nothing, especially considering many of the 2-7x or 2-5x scopes are smaller objectives like 32mm, whereas a 3-9x50mm with a 30mm body can have nearly the same FOV but even better light transmission. If you're really looking for a double scope set up, with the option for folding iron sights (which makes for a heck of a lot of investment into one rig, considering the money troubles you've described in the past, AND a heck of a lot of gear to haul around), then I'd look at either a 3-9x or 3.5-10x50 or 56mm 30mm body short to mid range scope, maybe even a 4-16x, or less likely, a 2-7x, then a 5.5-20x50mm or 6-24x50mm scope for the longer range work.
But... For the money, you'll get more versatility and a better scope by going with the Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm Elite.
07-24-2014, 12:43 PM
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07-24-2014, 06:13 PM
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Im thinkin the nikon above might be the way to go. The 2-14 power or maybe it was 4-14. I had a nikon omega bdc on my muzzleloader and that thing never let me down
07-24-2014, 07:10 PM
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my choice for a medium/short range scope
not cheap but not excessive
http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark...ope-P5931.aspx
RR
not cheap but not excessive
http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark...ope-P5931.aspx
RR
07-24-2014, 07:50 PM
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I would guess that a 3X-9X has been the most purchased scope over the past decade.
More often, for it's versatility.
I have a 20" barrel on my AR and expect shots beyond 300 yards.
I went with a 4X-16X 44MM
Get a Lifetime Warranty !!!
More often, for it's versatility.
I have a 20" barrel on my AR and expect shots beyond 300 yards.
I went with a 4X-16X 44MM
Get a Lifetime Warranty !!!
Last edited by Sheridan; 07-24-2014 at 07:53 PM.
07-25-2014, 07:20 PM
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I would agree I went with a 3-9 nikon on my muzzy. Think imma go 4-14. Go ahead with flip up iron sights should I want to use them for target shooting or close range hunting. Ik when we had our bushmaster ars I could hit spent brass at nearly 100 yards with em. I want to get into longer range slower more precise shooting and away from the 30-70 yard dumbin ammo amd cash down range as fast as I can shoot its no challange for me anymore. Sure its a 16 inch barrel its not gonna be a tac driver at 1000 yards but itll help me reach out pass my max range and work on my skills till I get a rem 700
