Thank You,....
This gun is really not picky with any ammo I have tried so far. I have yet to get a calm still day at my range. I know my 300 yard groups will shrink if I can find a calm day to shoot on.. I am getting better glass (Leupold vx6 3x18 CDS) this week and that should help. My current Docter 3x9 is a great scope but is pushed to its limits at 300yards on 9x.

Jack O. goes on and on ripping the other writers. None are up to his level according to what he wrote:

"The fact that someone owns $50,000 worth of guns, or has a PH.D. in biology, or wears a large hat, or can consistently shoot possibles offhand at 200 yards does not necessarily make him worth listening to about the relative virtues of big-game rifles and cartridges. For that matter neither does the fact that he writes like an angel or has shot seventy-five grizzly bears." <<-- Now that's funny, but wait the insults get's more personal.

Topic not pertaining to OP.

Gentlemen, play nice.

CalHunter
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JackO's sun didn't rise and set on the 270 like most have come to believe over the years. He "liked it" because of what it could do under the limits of technology back then! He killed more game with the 30-06 than anything else AND he was often quoted as having a deep love and appreciation for the 7mm Mauser but one must realize the bullets back then in 7mm offerings were very limited (in comparison to today). I believe if he were alive today he'd STILL have a deep love and respect for the 30-06 and honestly would be singin the praises of the 7-08 with modern bullets and powders. (The 7Mauser is what his beloved wife used for many years after his guidance)

I'm NOT dissin the 270, I have one. (As well as it's close cuzins the 7-08, 280 & 30-06 among many others) But many claim the 270 is head and shoulders above the others based on Jack's 50yr old tests/info. That's kinda like professing the abilities of the 50cal flintlock without considering the abilities of todays inlines!

All that being said, yes I LOVE the new lmtd edt 270 Win 70!
HL

Your right to a point but I dont think much has changed in the caliber wars today verses then. The calibers he had then are the same calibers today and other than bullet advancement, his reasoning still holds up to today's calibers. If anything bullets have gotten better and would have only further the 270 to JOC. JOC did kill ALOT of game with the 30-06, 7mm Rem mag, 300 Weatherby, 375 H&H mag. He talks about the 30-06 and 270 almost interchangeable in all his books. He also spoke interchangeable as "the three sister" the 270, 280, 30-06. JOC did kill more with the 270 but also killed ALOT with the other calibers. The reason the 270 was Jack's favorite was its superior ballistic coefficient. This is why he is considered the ultimate rifleman. The guy knew first hand what most all the other calibers could do because he killed ALOT with them as well. He loved these non magnum calibers and would demonstrate time after time about their killing power. One of his favorite stories demonstrating why he didn't need a magnum for North American game was when he killed a large Grizzly bear with his 30-06 and he could watch the bullets exit the bear on the far side and hit the rocks of the creek bed. He used a similar example with his 270 shooting a bull elk and watching the large bulls fall time after time in its own shadow dead instantly where they stood. His wife Eleanor was also a very accomplished hunter herself and used many calibers as well. Everyone likes to pigeon hole JOC as a one caliber guy but he was far from that. When the O'Connor's went to Africa, they always took a 270 and 375 as his staple guns with a few others on various occasions. The 270 Win was his self admitted personal favorite and because he adored the pre 64 Winchester Model 70 platform. He was furious with what Winchester did to the Model 70 post 64.

This is interesting regarding today's Ballistic Coefficient. The 270 has more in common performance wise with the 300 Win Mag with its advancement in loadings. Look at the bullet speed,energy and trajectory at 500 yards. This is from Hornadys 2013 ammunition catalog.

Not True. I'm calling BS on your cherry picking of loads. You're comparing a 270win "Hornady Super Performance" load to standard loads for the '06 and WM.

How about we compare apples to apples, shall we? Same product line, SST Super Performance...

Trajectory and velocity yes. Energy no. Energy for a 180grn 300WM Hornady SST Super Performance at 500yrds = 30% greater than that of the 140grn .270Win Hornady SST Super Performance. Yes, the trajectory is within 1", and velocity close enough to "the same", but you can't have all of those numbers line up with different bullet weights.

Same velocity with different bullet weights will ALWAYS have different energy.

Trajectory doesn't matter nearly as much to me as what the bullet can handle at the receiving end. Comparing a 140grn bullet to a 180grn bullet is a losing battle. I have .223rem loads that match the trajectory of some of my .30-06 loads, but I don't go casting a 55grn pill 500yrds after a 300lb whitetail.

nothing wrong with the 270, but no 270 bullet can compare in the offerings in 6.5, 7mm, and 30 cal, the only reason the data even looks favorable to the 270 in the cherry picked loads is the fact that he used the superperformance loads in the 270 and then I will guarantee you those loads won't shoot nearly that fast in an average factory chamber.......in the world of long range trajectory muzzle velocity don't mean much, BC will outrun it every time, and great long range bullets in .277 diameter are as scarce as hens teeth, the 169 & 190 wildcats are awesome but ya need a specialized twist to shoot them, like a 1:6 in the 270 winny
RR

heres a drop chart for my 6.5 gibbs
Range Velocity Trajectory TOF Drift
(yards) (fps) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 3280 -2.10 0.0000 0.00
100 3117 0.74 0.0938 -0.42
200 2961 0.00 0.1926 -1.70
300 2810 -4.71 0.2966 -3.92
400 2664 -13.82 0.4062 -7.12
500 2523 -27.84 0.5219 -11.39
its a modified 270 case with a good bullet, HMMM 5+" less drop at 500
RR

Actually, those numbers are also on Youtube independently tested by guys like us. They are even in a 24" barrel where most magnum loads are factored in a 26" barrel. I am just using Hornady's information. How is that "cherry picking"? The 270's 130grain matches up to the 30 caliber's 150 grain in hunting and in print by most all manufacturer and are one of the most popular weights for the same size game.

270 130 grain bullet ='s Ballistic Coefficient .460
270 150 grain bullet ='s Ballistic Coefficient .462
30-06 150 grain bullet ='s Ballistic Coefficient .415
30-06 165 grain bullet ='s Ballistic Coefficient .447
30-06 180 grain bullet ='s Ballistic Coefficient .480

To get a good bullet coefficient in the 30-06 it needs to be using a 180 grain bullet and the its performance looks like this...
30-06
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
at 500 yards 1751/1225. Drop is -51.30

Point being that the both the 06 and 270 are interchangeable but the 270 has a longer effective range and that's why JOC preferred it. Where one might be slightly better in one area the other is better in another area. Its a wash in shooting under 300 yards. The Hornady Superformance loads has changed the game for the non magnum calibers and pushed them up to new performance bar. I think its great. I see Remington is doing the same but their loads are testing considerably slower than Hornadys.
Coming from 15 years with the 300 Win Mag, its forte was the 180grain bullet and that's also the best ballistic coefficient for the caliber. It just required ALOT more powder/recoil than the 06 to get it to shoot as flat as the 270 out at the 500 yard mark.

Its speed and energy looks like this. 1935/1525 with a trajectory of -41.60.
Still this is closer in performance to the 270 than the 30-06.
This was one of the reasons when coming from my 300 win mag to the 270. Its drop rate that I was use to with the 300 win was about dead balls even with the 270 even without using Superformance.




Check the various loads out
http://www.hornady.com/ammunition