A vote for obama is a vote to take away your rights
 

another freedom restriction from the Obama administration. its call the PEOPLES RIGHTS AMENDMENT. these are the sections of the amendment.
The People's Rights Amendment

Section 1. We the people who ordain and establish this Constitution intend the rights protected by this Constitution to be the rights of natural persons.

Section 2. People, person, or persons as used in this Constitution does not include corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state, and such corporate entities are subject to such regulation as the people, through their elected state and federal representatives, deem reasonable and are otherwise consistent with the powers of Congress and the States under this Constitution.

Section 3. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the people's rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, and such other rights of the people, which rights are inalienable.

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I could'nt agree more! If anyone thinks that November is just another election they are seriously mistaken! Depending on the outcome......
it could be our last "free" election! At the very best, if the obamanation gets another 4 years, it is the beginning of the end of America!

Pres. Obama has been in office for nearly four years, I have not seen him make any moves to restrict gun ownership. I think the Democrats learned from their past efforts in that direction and will not try it again.

The "People's Rights Admendment" sounds OK to me. Section 3 would tend to reinforce the rights to gun ownership along with the other rights.

Pres. Obama is much hated for the Bush economic disaster which is still with us. This is a major downturn and most likely would have become a depression if not for the Bush and the Obama administration's moves to counter it. These moves cost money but are not as damaging as a depression would be. There is not instant cure here, it will take years to recover from such a downturn. The troubles in europe are also slowing the recovery. Unemployment will not recover for some years, regardless of who is president.

Obama appointed Sotomayor and Kagan as US Supreme Court justices. These justices have voted very consistently to diminish our gun rights. I think Sotomayor wrote a dissenting opinion taking the view point that the protections of the Second Amendment apply to individuals ONLY insofar as they are members of a militia. Thus, on that issue I disagree with you. A vote for Obama is like voting for another anti-gun supreme court justice appointment.

With reference to the handling of the economy. At EVERY turn the Obama administration and the Democrats have taken steps to worsen the economy and prolong the troubles. The debt they have amassed has burdened the US and cost us our Triple A bond rating. They have obtained no stimulus effect from this spending, merely fueling consumption spending for a brief period of time. These things WORSEN the economy. They have pissed away money on quixiotic feel-good projects like all the money spent on green energy projects that crashed and burned, such as Solyndra. Their energy policy has driven up energy prices, and THAT has hurt the economy and has obtained no public benefits.

The Obamacare bill has put a severe damper on the creation of new jobs. What business owner wants to hire new people when the implications of Obamacare has thrown a major new wild card out into play.

You are entitled to your vote, but in my opinion you have just been drinking too much Democrat/Obama Koolaid.

I await a post of ANY good 0bama has done that he promised he would do since he has been in office besides blame, dodge and deceit! You see his political ads??? Romney made his money however within the law and he's a bad guy??? Where's the problem that's how this country works,
don't like it??? tough its the law and is legal!
daddus
Because a person doesn't like what was done by an individual, if that person has done it within the law that's to bad, get the law changed!!!
The POTUS we have now hasn't done anything productive since he stepped into office and it's three years later and as Ann Landers says,
are you better off now than you were then???

That's some real BS with those spots about Romney putting his money overseas, but they aren't saying it's illegal, LOL! I guess he should have given it all to the minorities and illegals that BO wants to be able to vote for him in November!

This is entertaining, but shouldn't this be posted in "politics" and not in this section?

there's bigger issues at stake.

He'll get my vote, Again.


who you going to vote for instead? "I don't align myself with the NRA" -Romney-

No! This should not be in the "Politics" forum, it should be on every billboard in America! It's not just "guns," but the Second Amendment DOES protect every freedom we've ever had! And, it's not a Republican-Democrat thing either! But if people can't see that the obamanation is by far THE MOST UNQUALIFIED president in history, (not to mention he and his administration's shady backgrounds) then we deserve what we get after November!

"who you going to vote for instead?"


Answer: Anyone other than that joke who will go down as the worst President in our history! The guy has made so many gaffes when he doesn't have a teleprompter to read from that it's absolutely ludicrous!

[quote] Topgun 3006;3953771"who you going to vote for instead?"
[quote]

Compared to him, hillary would be considered "great!" And to think, we feared her!

This is what is really scary. The fact that there are still people out there that would vote for this idiot. I don't know how low someones IQ has to be to not realize what damage this moron has done and how much more he intends to do if he is re-elected.

Obama won't be able to ruin the country by himself but there seems to be enough idiots out there that might help him get it done.

Saluki,

Please what other bigger issues are at stake?

Immigration, Obama pretty much welcomes illegals with open arms. He states as long as they haven't committed a crime they can stay. Isn't it a crime to come across the border in the first place?

HealthCare, it's not a tax. But wait the supreme court ruled the only way it's legal is if it's a tax, then Obama continues on that it's not a tax. Who does the idiot think he's fooling?

Guns, he's from Chicago. Need I say more. The same city where folks rights as gun owners has been trampled on forever. I live in IL and cannot believe with the crap that goes on in Chicago politics why anyone from IL would vote for a low down politician from Chicago. Some of the tightest gun restrictions in the nation, yet one of the highest murder rates. You do the math.

More people are on welfare than ever before under this president. He promised transparency yet wouldn't reveal his birth certificate and still won't release his college details. Obama stated he wouldn't be influenced by lobbyist, yet leaders of some of the largest unions in the land are regulars @ the White House.

Anyone that doesn't go out and do some research on this man and votes for him is an idiot. If this man is elected again don't be surprised by anything he tries to accomplish (He'll just use Executive Order).

saluki, i think you need to do some research on President Obama. sitting there watching msnbc gush over the man is not doing you any good. there are a lot of important issues at stake. how about the national debt. if i remeber he said he was going to cut it by half but has continued to spend like a spoiled brat given a credit card without a limit. he has enabled more people to go on welfare than ever, he has hired just aobut double the amount of government workers which get paid through our tax dollars. he claims to want to raise taxes on only the weatlhy but he has no freaking idea how economics work. he can raise the taxes on the weatlhy which they say will bring in 4 billion dollars a year, our government spends over 3 billion a day.
i want to say that any issue that affect our constitutional rights should be number one on the priority list.
im guessing you are one of those folks that like obama care, i bet you look forward to being told by the government what you can do, so you never have to make another decision.
im guessing that you are looking forward to more bleeding heart jagbags like mayor freaking bloomberg to be in charge.
i think you need to start thinking independtly and stop listening to all those liberal speaking folks, who believe nobody can survive without them telling us what is best for us.

Saluki1:

If they take your rights away to own a firearm, don't cry because it is people like you who will cause it. :hit: :hit:

I have trouble understanding how the party of Geo. W Bush, Palin and Bachman can call Pres. Obama dumb. Remember Reagan's second term? He was incompetent. It is like Newt finding fault with someone's morals.

x2!

not to mention Regan is who gave amnesty to illegals.

btw Mitt Romney is the son of an illegal mexican...

gun rights are another non-issue like abortion, guns and abortion are never going away, so voting because of these 2 issues is stupid.

as for IQ mine is closer to 200 than 100, just a fun fact for your day! haha.

Salukipv1---You and Jenks are two dumb peas in a pod!!! Here are two stupid statements you just posted that show you have your head up your butt:
"btw Mitt Romney is the son of an illegal mexican...
gun rights are another non-issue like abortion, guns and abortion are never going away, so voting because of these 2 issues is stupid."

***FYI: Romney was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child. The family lived in several states and ended up in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they struggled during the Great Depression.
Your other statement is also ludicrous with it already pointed out that BO has stacked the Supreme Court with two women that certainly aren't pro gun rights fanatics. He is also pressing for ratification of the UN Treaty, talks of which which just broke down in NY. He has also signed Executive Orders restricting the sale of legal firearms that Korea gave back to the US not long ago that are normally offered for sale to legal civilians under a system that has been in existence for decades. He has spent so much money in four years that we don't have and never will that it won;t be paid off four generations from now! You, Sir, have no idea what you're talking about if you say anything positive about this jackass of a guy that should have never been allowed to run for any office, especially Pres. The SOB has done more to help the Muslim world in his four years in Office and more things to damage this country that have already been mentioned by other members than anyone in the history of this country. Yet you say you are voting for that dimwit that thinks there are 57 states and holds his crotch when our anthem is played! The man is a friggin traitor to this great country for God's sake and you're going to vote for him!!! As for your last sentence if that is even to be believed, have you ever heard that you can be too smart for your own good, LOL!!!

Many people do not like to discuss politics. folks that do usually have the latest "talking points" lined up for discussion. This keeps talk away from vulnerable areas. I don't like to discuss politics either. Most folks have made up their minds on the subject and are not going to change. I do like to read about guns and hunting and feel a kinship with others that have the same weakness, regardless of their politics. I agree with Topgun in his selection of "3006" for a name. It is an old caliber that has hardly been improved on in its class. His politics, religion and other personal matters are not of great interest to me. So I will do my best to not comment any further about politics here--on the "guns" forum.

how can u vote for that musleam

And this is why it belongs in the gun forum. With the 5-4 Supreme Court rulings in the Heller and McDonald cases we can't afford to have the next president nominate a justice that will vote against the 2nd ammendment. The next president will nominate at least 1, possibly 2 justices. At least 1 of those justices voted in the majority in the two recent cases. The next major restriction on our 2nd ammendment rights will not come from the legislative or executive branches, but from the judicial branch.

When the time comes you'll have to make a decision. Will you just let them have your firearms? Let them control every aspect of your life? I'm not militant but from my cold dead hands sounds about right to me. We as a country cannot afford to let them win this battle. Maybe the good law abiding citizens of this country should think about it's time to speak out against tyranny and take charge once again. Set the slate clean so to speak. Foreign and Domestic I believe it says.

I see Jenks already dropped out when presented with the truth and a little logic, LOL! One down and one to go!!!

Good retort RR! The first time I heard about that a number of years ago awakened me to reality and if we don't keep a close vigil and fight the antis every step of the way it could be us! I wonder what happened to old salukipv1, as it seems that he has also vamoosed when the truth came out, LOL!

I have yet to see one thing that Oslama/Obamakari has done for this country except to keep me in a job by allowing all the illegals in for all the free benefits and everything that my dad and uncles fought for to keep us free!!!!
I am a 20yr LEO and his politics of the illegals keep myself and my brethern in a job for longer than anyone of us could possible be able to work just taking care of all his rif-raf he has allowed in.
Obama is having a tiff about Romney and his tax returns, why don't Romney take his tax returns and all associated paperwork on the stand and Obama bring his supposed birth certificate and college transcripts and they trade and make public? Tit for tat!!

Tell me more about the gun rights you have lost in the last four years, my friends. I haven't lost any.

MNDan, Since the election of Obama, the tax on guns and ammo has increased significantly. This is the back door to removing guns from the home. If you can't take them outright, you make it impossible to pay for them. It is the same as taking the right away from the people.
But you would have to put a little thought into it first.

Tell us what you think will happen if Obama is re-elected and gets to replace one or more of the "conservatives" on the Supreme Court. The Heller and McDonald decisions allow for "reasonable" gun controls, without definition. Do you think that there is ANY gun control measure that a liberal dominated Supreme Court would find to be unreasonable?

He appointed Sotomayor and Kagen. Those are SIGNIFICANT acts against your gun rights. Anyone who doesn't see that must have his head buried somewhere where the sun don't shine...

I can't imagine any responsible, knowledgeable person that owns guns coming on a website in apparent support of this jerkoff that is presently in the White House!!! I guess that rules out several posters on this thread!!!

why dont you just give up your guns now. you apparently do not watch the news or read crap about the issues that will be up. obama is in support of the ATT that the UN was trying to push through, it would of essentially made it so they could of taken your guns away. look at his voting record when it came to gun controls. you just go ahead and vote for obama and see what will happen. he will be replacing another supreme court member most likely if not 2. see how your second amendment rights stand up or for that matter any of your rights. he wants to lead this country down the socialist path. he is an enabler of the lazy and an entitleist.

The federal tax on firearms & ammo has been fixed at 11% for well over a decade. Perhaps your state is taxing it more, but it has nothing to do with Obama. He has, however, been touted as the greatest gun salesman ever! Only due to the paranoia that the NRA tries to instill in all of us.

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/20...t-to-ban-guns/

http://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml#Firearms

Take it somewhere else please, as standing up for BO on a hunting/shooting website is about as close to treason as you can get, LOL! Have you not seen and heard all the crappola that he's been behind since he took offce? You apparently haven't if you don't think he will lead a direct assault against firearms in a second lame duck term after all the chit he's pulled behind our backs in the first one! MNDan, you need to start looking at facts and quit smoking whatever you have in the bong!!!

Let's see

Fast & Furious

When BO took office, all spent casings from military training were turned into brass chops for recycling vs. selling to a company who would use the spent casings for re-manufactured ammo. This is one of the factors why there was such a shortage of ammo when he took office and why the prices of ammo and components jumped. Did you notice how 9x19 was almost impossible to find for a while?

AG Holder stated in D.C. years ago that the American people need to be 'brainwashed' regarding firearms.

Take a look at how the EPA is being used to push his agenda.

Even a retired military officer has raised concerns about the current administration in the WH. This retired officer has stated how some actions of the current administration is very concerning as leaders who became dictators took the same steps in their process of becoming a dictator.

I try not to get involved in online political debates anymore but I really can't understand anyone, much less a gun owner/2nd amendment supporter backing Obama. I would like to hear some of his promises that he has kept from 4 years ago? I can't seem to find them!

Yep, more political trash to clutter up a guns forum. What's wrong with taking it to the politics forum?

country1 - I appreciate you actually taking the time to post some things that have changed instead of just making personal attacks, though the casings thing isn't true & the real reason for ammo shortages has been the overwhelming fear that ammo prices were going to go up.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/georgia-arms/

There are certainly many good reasons not to vote for BO - I'd just like people to think about what those might be instead of jumping on the "I hunt, so I have to vote Republican!" bandwagon. I took the test below and came up Libertarian FWIW...

http://2012election.procon.org/view....ourceID=004491

Posts telling you that you don't know what you're talking about are not personal attacks. Personal attacks are ones that have no basis or facts behind them and are directed at the person, rather than what he has stated, and that's not the case here. You are incorrect in that the Department of Defense under the direct watch of BO ordered that all used military casings not be resold to manufacturers of ammunition as was done previously for decades. There was such an uproar that after a fairly short length of time the order was rescinded. Your other reason for ammo going up is also not fact. Ammo and components went up because of the escalation of the war efforts overseas on several fronts and the fact that certain Cogressional members were trying to pass rectrictions on ammo (ie. tagging bullets, requiring that manufacturers offer only components that had a short shelf life, etc.). Due to those fears a tremendous amount of firearms, ammo, and components were sold, which, in turn, created shortages and prices going up by certain companies that took advantage of the situation and price gouged the public.

A few quotes from a great man.. Thomas Jefferson
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.”
"It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong.”
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson

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