I am correct in what I initially posted. Under BO's order and policies, fired casings from military training were chopped up for recycling vs. being sold to make re-manufactured ammo. This policy was eventually changed, but it took a few months for the fired brass to again be sold for re-manufactured ammo.

As I stated earlier the destruction of fired military brass was one of the factors for the higher prices of ammo and components. You may not purchase re-manufactured ammo, but many government agencies, LE departments, privately owned firearm training facilities and gun clubs do purchase re-manufactured ammo for training and range ammo. For a time, once fired brass was very hard to impossible to find fill these orders. At times, some companies who made re-manufactured ammo were buying new brass to try and fill their orders. The supply first went to government agencies and LE departments. If there was any left over it went to the civilian training facilities, gun clubs and individual consumers.

Also, it was not just because of the war that ammo was hard to find. You also had several government agencies and LE departments that put in large orders for non-training/range ammo.

It is called supply and demand. Do some companies really take advantage of it and create even higher prices? Yes, IMO some do. Were some people hording ammo? I believe some were hording ammo, and this made the supply and demand situation worse. If they wanted to have some extra ammo on hand, it would have been better to buy a little extra each time they went to purchase ammo vs. buying it all.

How many of you have a little extra food on hand at this time? What is going to happen to you and your family if there is even a very small food shortage for a brief time? Will you be able to help out your neighbor? Will you be willing to help out your neighbor?

I grew up on a farm, and there were times we would be without electricity for weeks at a time (sometimes it was winter and the temp was well below zero) or could not get to town for weeks at a time because of the weather or roads. You knew you needed to have extra food on hand because of the possibility of those occasions. You also had a generator to run the essentials and fuel to power the generator. There was no chaos and neighbors helped neighbors. We did not have the NG come to keep order - there was no need. The NG did not come to evacuate us - if they did nobody would leave anyway. We did not have LE coming to see if we were doing okay - the LE continued to taking care of emergencies only. Neighbors checked up on and helped neighbors. If one did run out of something, they would check with another neighbor to see if they could help them out. They would always try to resupply or repay the neighbor later. Sometimes, the neighbor would not accept repayment as helping out your neighbor was just something you did and without complaint.

When you were able to make it to town, the shelves of the small grocery stores were not empty. People in town also had extra on hand in case of a storm. People had a supply on hand at home to hold them over if there was a disruption in life as normal. We never made the news. It was just part of life for the area we lived. It was not a survivalist attitude but rather I need to have an adequate supply on hand for our family and for my neighbor in case they need some help. I wish this perspective, foresight and responsibility was something all Americans took seriously. If we did, there would not be chaos when things as normal are disrupted for a time. We would not be turning on each other for a loaf of bread, jug of milk or the last of the Easter or Christmas candy that is on sale at the store.

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When you were able to make it to town, the shelves of the small grocery stores were not empty. People in town also had extra on hand in case of a storm. People had a supply on hand at home to hold them over if there was a disruption in life as normal. We never made the news. It was just part of life for the area we lived. It was not a survivalist attitude but rather I need to have an adequate supply on hand for our family and for my neighbor in case they need some help. I wish this perspective, foresight and responsibility was something all Americans took seriously.

Sounds familiar growing up poor in the country. We had a huge supply of canned food in the root cellar, because that was how we got our fruit and vegetables in the winter. Canned in Mason jars from our garden, of course. Stockpile of meat in the deep freeze, because much of it came from hunting or buying half a cow. Everything needed for the standard two or three days without power that usually came up.

I will say one thing on the politics. I don't think either one is going to significantly hurt my gun ownership rights. But I'm now middle class due to my wife and I working our asses off. I'm going back to school for a second degree in engineering, while still working, to try to maybe be "upper" middle class. One of the candidates is about entirely giving the finger to the middle class with his proposed tax policies. Romney doesn't give a damn about guns at all. Maybe if it were Mccain you'd have an argument, but all Romney gives a **** about is the fact that he's rich and has rich friends.

Do you think Obama is not rich? It is a belief of many people that it appears he is trying to bankrupt the country, and I can't disagree with that prospect. Look at how the deficit has grown under BO. It is also concerning the communists and Marxist people that BO has in his administration. Then there are his policies. I believe there is a reason why he has his thesis papers and other college documents sealed. IMO, BO throws out what appears to be a bone once in a while so he can continue to push his agenda. Problem is, most people don't realize the occasional bone is coming from other sources (SSA and the future economic stability of the country).

BO wants the tax returns of Romney released. What about BO releasing all of his college papers/records, all of his tax returns and a valid hard copy of the long form of his birth certificate? BO's administration has released more than one electronic version of his claimed long from. When a version of the long form has been proven to not be valid, they have said - Oh that is not the one. They have not commented on the last version which has multiple layers of the document (consistent with being altered) in the PDF document. They never have stated why BO has a SSN issued from CT (he has never been a resident of CT nor worked in CT). What they are not telling is how his mother had access to SSN for her work. IMO, the SSN problem for BO is why, under his orders, the new SSN's are no longer state specific.

With all of the executive orders he has been doing, IMO there should be real concern regarding what BO may doing regarding firearms and ammunition. BO and Holder were pushing for new restrictions with the claim of all the firearms from this country being used in the drug wars of Mexico. When Fast & Furious came to light, the talk of those new restrictions came to a sudden halt. I believe there is a reason why BO is not talking about the 2nd Amendment before the election. If the voters really knew his plans, would they vote for BO? IMO, they would not.

You might want to look at Romneys past. He is the one reponsible for the assualt weapon ban in Mass. Romney is full of sh*t! If made president, expect a change in gun laws. A vote for Romney is a vote to send more American jobs overseas. Romney claims that he has paid 13% tax, but is only showing one tax refund I am sure the rest, the ones he is hiding would show that he paid less than that. Aint that nice, the average working class American pays at least 15.5% tax. Its the republican way, the rich get richer and the working man foots the bill, and the labor.

Here is a link you might understand.
http://www.iberkshires.com/story/148...apons-ban.html

Wake up people!!! This guy, "Romney", is a two faced turd!!!
Obama has done pretty good for what he had to work with, he saved General Motors, and Dodge, as a matter of fact, everyone likes to critisize his bail out to G.M. but the forget to mention that G.M. has paid it back and has had the most profitable year in there history. The stock markets have went up 100% since he took office, not bad. I dont like everythig he has done, but he has done ALOT of good for our country. It is going to take more than 4 years to get out of the hole that the republicans dug!

Fairly easy to see which party has been trying to bankrupt the country over the past 60 years...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fe..._1901-2010.png

What the chart fails to show is WHY the National debt is so high right now. It is not the fault of Obama, but rather the two unessesary wars started by the Bush administration, and the out sourceing of American jobs to the Chinese. It is easy to point fingers when wearing blinders. In order to help reduce this, who ever gets in office needs to bring work back to the U.S. They need to put a major tarrif on ANY American company that is manufactoring goods outside of the U.S., and importing the products here to save a dollar. Tax the **** out of American companies that are using Chinese labor and criplling our own economy instead of paying Americans a fair wage to make stuff here. At one time we had a great economy and you could find almost everything was made here, now good luck finding anything with a Made In The U.S. label on it.

If I hear one more time that it's the fault of Bush, etc. and that BO is a saint, I think I'm going to puke!!! In case you aren't aware of it, HE didn't do a damn thing other than spend so much money that we don't have in his first four years that our friggin great great great grandkids will still be trying to pay it off. The GM deal is also a bunch of BS because if you look into things right now BO is saying how great they are doing and to look at their stats. Yep, look at their stats and you'll see that the Feds have purchased 79% of the vehicles GM has made the last few months for it to be in such great shape. Tha'ss more of OUR taxpayer money that is funding the company becides what already went into it. Romney might not be a saint on guns, but he sure is compared to the idiot in charge right now and if you guys don't know what all BO has done trying to screw the average citizen you better get your heads out of your rectums. A second lame duck term, if he wins, will kill this country and what we know of America the way it's been as we've grown up!

Yeah, when Bush got in office, he had a surplus not a defficet. Thanks to the democrats and Bill Clinton, they reduced the National debt that was created by Papa Bush and actualy had a surplus of money. But 8 years of good ole George and the Republicans, they depleted that and gave us a record national debt. Obama was handed a impossible mission. Which if you look at the stock market, it is up over 100% since the day he got in office. Obviously he has done some good. I can look at my tax records through out my working career and I can honestly say that the years democrats have been in office, I have made the most money, years republicans were in office were some of my most broke years. Personally I dont like either, but Obama has done good for what he was handed and not once has he mentioned gun control, only the Republicans throw that out there to scare people. Romney on the other hand has a history of supporting gun control. And that is a fact!!

Romneyhood, just the opposite as Robinhood. He steals from the poor and gives to the rich.

"If I hear one more time that it's the fault of Bush"
Topgun, the economy collapsed a month prior to the 2008 election, and the winner was left holding the bag. If McCain had won, would you be supporting the Democrat right now, and saying it was Bush's fault to give McCain cover? The stimulus plan started under Bush. Obama kept in place Bush appointees to adminster it. The passing of the stimulus package in October 2008 was one of the few bipartisan votes I can remember in my lifetime, where moderate Dems and Republicans got together and defeated the extremes of their respective parties.
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I believe a lot of how a person perceives the Obama adminstrations handling of the economy depends on where you believe we were in 2008. If you believe we were heading for a true 1930s-style depression, then he did a good job heading it off (and so did George Jr., by going to congress and asking for the $700 million stimulus package). If you don't think we were heading toward a depression, then the stimulus has been a bunch of wasteful spending. I'd point out that George Jr. and 3/4 of the Republicans in Congress agreed we were heading for a depression when they initiated the stimulus in October 2008.

I give up! Vote for the dumb SOB and see what happens the next 4 years!!!

Romney may not be the strongest supporter of the 2nd. Amendment that could have been nominated! But, compared to a lame duck, far-left-of-left, bho and his socialist enablers, Romney is the second comming of Charlton Heston!
While researching the laws concerning differences switchblade knives and "assisted opening" knives, I ran across the article below.
If you don't think that our Constitution and our very Republic are in dire jepardy, you are dreaming! It's a little long, but well worth reading! Wake up and smell the coffee! It can happen here if we let it! We cannot afford 4 more years of this regime!

www.knife-expert.com/swbl-leg.txt

There's legitimate reasons to vote for either candidate. All I'm saying is that pretending that Bush (and Clinton) had no role in causing the current economic crisis isn't one of them.
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By the way, we are electing a president, not a king. Whoever is in power still has to get whatever laws he wants enacted through congress. I don't see congress going along with any major infringements on Second Amendment rights. And, if Congress did enact some legislation in the wake of the Colorado shootings, for example, I really don't see Romney going out on a limb and taking a stand against anything that would make it through a Republican controlled congress .

Just a guess but from your responces I am willing to bet you are either a bussiness owner who doesnt want to pay his employees a fair wage or you are a Rat, Scab, non-union employee.

You'd lose that bet bigtime with that BS just like a lot of the other crap you spout! I'm 65, have been retired for 10 years after 30+ years in law enforcement with every day of it paying union dues and they were well spent Mr. Smartazz!!!

Well you ought to know that unions are supporting Obama. Your boy Romney is a union buster and a corperate raider.

Rat, Scab, non-union employee??? give me a freaking break!

First off I love those terms because most of the people that use them have no clue what they really mean. And by the way I beleive that does qualify as a direct attack ;)

Do you really have any idea what you are talking about? Wait probably not.. your like %90 of the union population that just listens the the union officials as to how to vote. stop trying to start fires and take your BS arguments/ insults to a CNBC forum or a Howard stern blog because your words are worthless to the folks on here.

It really scares the heck out of me that some people don't have the ability to think for themselve for one second but yet they have the ability to vote. Wake up people this election isn't about Bush, or Bachman, or what happened 4 years ago. its about what is going to happen in the next 4. Obama is the biggest threat this county has seen since December 7, 1941. The guy is careless, wreckless, and stupid. That is not the kind of guy we need in charge of an already struggling and CORRUPT government. Take a trip over seas for a couple weeks as i have multiple times this year. We are the laughing stock of the industrialized countries... made so by an unquailifed snake in the grass that was elected on everything but his ability to run a government. And now there are actually people who want to give this country another 4 years of failure... scary stuff, if he wins I loose all faith in the america... as sad as it is to say.

Actualy I know exactly what it means. I am from a family of Union Pipe Welders, From local #44, local #598 and local #798. Actualy my dad made the first weld on the Trans Alaskan pipepline. I know what a Rat and a Scab is, I have walked a many picket line for union workers rights, including some for the Teamsters. Topgun 3006's union brothers must really be proud of him. Romney gets in, his pension will not be safe.

Oh and by the way, that reference was not a dirrect attack. A dirrect attack is what happens when a "Rat" or also known as a "Scab" crosses a picket line on a union job.

Here is the deffinition of a "Rat" for you. a person who abandons or betrays his or her party or associates, especially in a time of trouble.
b. an informer.
c. a scab laborer.
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4 more years of Obama and you won't have to worry about work...................you'll just be sitting there on the union bench waitting for work.

Oh, he will provide you with food stamps, because you're going to need them !!!

So what in gods name made you think that topgun crossed a picket line? and what makes your cause so much more deserving than a non union guy trying to feed his family I guess your entitled to that job right? Sorry but if I had a hungry family at home and a job waiting across a picket line I would skip across it if thats what I had to do for my family and you would to if the roles were reversed. regardless of what you think your no better or deserving of a job than anybody else. ... say what you want i'm done with the union argument. Its like arguing video games with a nine year old.
Your entitled to your opinon the same as me, I just really hope the majority of the country does share your opions on politics or in my opinion :-) we are in trouble

"Topgun 3006's union brothers must really be proud of him. Romney gets in, his pension will not be safe."

Geez, I thought you were dumber than a stump when we got into it about hunting and your "know it all" attitude, but those last couple posts make a stump look pretty damn smart, LOL! FYI I didnt say anything about liking or voting for Romney, but you stretched it out to read just like your betting post! Also, Romney has nothing to do with my friggin pension! If you and "your" people can't see the harm that BO has done to this country way above the economic issues you're talking about it's no wonder you're talking like you are. God help us because I think there are plenty more where you guys are coming from that will probably elect that Socialist to a second term. Then you'll really see what he's made of and what will happen in his lame duck four year term. God help us when I read some of the IGNORANT BS people come up with and yours is right at the top of the heap! Between the illegals he's trying to keep in the country, the Latinos and blacks who will vote for him just because of his color, there will have to be a huge turnout of "other" voters to beat him. I'm afraid that for no better than the Republican Party could find to nominate that with Romney as his opponent that we're in deep chit!!! This election is definitely going to determine how deep the chit is and whether we'll have to wear hipboots if Romney wins or waders if BO gets relected!!! Real great choices there, they are!!!

Now there is something we both agree on!!!!

As far as unions go, they fight for the rights of workers and make sure a guy gets a decent wage and benifits, a scab is just another guy that is willing to eat chit just so they have a job, they hurt the working man, instead of taking a stand for there rights. Take were I live, Idaho is a Republican, right to work state, minimum wage here is $7.25 an hour, cross the river into Clarkston, Washington, a Democratic, union state and the minimum wage is $9.04 an hour. Enough said!

Obamalamadingdong is not the real threat to this country. He is just a single idiot that would love to turn our country into a socialist nightmare. The real threat to our country is the amount of morons that it took to vote him in. Just to know that he even has a chance to be voted in again is scary. He is without a doubt the worst president in the history of our great country and in my opinon should be impeached.

Thats a good one! don't think i've heard that one!!! but I am literally loling!

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Obamalamadingdong is not the real threat to this country. He is just a single idiot that would love to turn our country into a socialist nightmare. The real threat to our country is the amount of morons that it took to vote him in. Just to know that he even has a chance to be voted in again is scary. He is without a doubt the worst president in the history of our great country and in my opinon should be impeached.
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Amen CLD!!! That makes two of us!!!

Geez...this post reads like a giant board of people who believe chain e-mails they get spouting off so called facts.

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FOR THE RECORD: I do not intend on voting for either of these two people, in fact I wish both the Democrats and Republicans would fly a kite and people were made to stand on their own ideals and visions, none of this I support this but not that because they tell me I have to get a shot.

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Anyway, on Romney, the guy instituted a health care act in Mass that is eerily similar to Obamacare, and it actually worked well, but to try to make you think he is some ideal Republican he opposes Obamacare, he is a flip flopper.

He does not support gun rights, he supports gun control as well, despite what his party idealogy wants you to believe.

The real reason he doesn't want to release his tax returns is not the tax rate he paid, it's that he doesn't want you to see he made his money off your back, that he is one of those investors that benefited from the crash of the housing market at your expense.

There is a lot of things about Obama that are true here, I really don't need to go over why he also will not get my vote, but there is a lot of just tabloid ramblings also.

Someone said they wanted to see a list of promises he did keep...well there is a great website out there for people who believe in thinking for themselves and finding the facts, let me introduce you to that list:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

About his school records (which everyone seems like raving nut on):

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

About his birth certificate:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/ind...-in-the-u-s-a/

He had to provide them to even throw his hat in to the ring to run. Unless you are arguing that this little known of Senator had enough connections to get past all the scrutiny from different offices and agencies that potential candidates go through?

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Now that you guys have the tools to actually be of independent thought, let's discuss what we can really do as voters to fix this country. Let me tell you that we will have to wait for 2016, because both candidates we have now are clowns that are going to hurt us.

So.......your not going to vote at all?

Or are you just going to waste your vote?

Like it or not, one of these two guys is going to lead our country for the next four years. If you don't vote for one or the other, then your vote is wasted.

Well stated SpawnedX! I've stated before that until we have a good shot at a third party person winning the Presidency, we are in deep doodoo when there are only two major party choices and most of the time both suck! CLD brings up a good point that I'm really having a hard time with right now and I think I know what I'll do, but that's nobody's business but mine.

Generally I would agree for you, but a vote for either one is a wasted vote. I don't want either, I think they are equally offensive. I will write my dad's name, he's a good guy.

I'm going to vote for Romney but I'll keep my fingers crossed for your dad! WTF!!!

Good choice in throwing your vote away. :hit:

There is fallacy in your logic. If I don't want either of them as the president equally, what does it matter if I put my dad, Mickey Mouse or one of them as my vote?

Let me actually put it in another way.

If someone held a gun to my head and made me choose one of the two, after witnessing Romney's work firsthand, I would pick Obama. That way I can use the welfare check I can get when I lost my job to stock up on ammo for the ensuing revolution.

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Some things to consider from Massachusetts under Romey:

- Stricter gun control and laws. I know RI State Troopers who have permits to carry in all surrounding states, but have to lock their gun in the trunk and ammo in the glove box while driving through MA, cause they can't get approved to carry. We called up the MA State Police the first time we went to a MA gun range just to inform them of our intention and check with the laws and they were very clear when they told us we can drive to the range, shoot, and drive back home, don't make any stops.

- Emissions and safety inspections are the toughest, second only to California, in the country. I moved out of the state just so I could register and inspect my car in RI. They are actual Nazis about this in MA.

- Despite his claim that he lowered taxes, it's not true, they went up slightly.

How am I suppose to feel comfortable voting for him? Obama?

[quote=SpawnedX;3963292 I would pick Obama. That way I can use the welfare check [/quote]

Enough said. I didn't even read the read the rest. You my friend are truly what is wrong with this country.

I can see how the person who takes the time to read a full response is what is wrong with this country versus a person who doesn't bother to finish reading.

I can understand perfectly why he did not finish reading your post! Your reasoning for voting for obumma is absolutely irrational and absurdly rediculous! Judging from your post count, which is probably about equal to your IQ, you are just here to troll anyway!

Very well put!!!!!

If I was here to troll, I wouldn't post up facts. Of course your ineptitude with reading closely matches that of your friend up there. Specifically where you missed the whole statement that I am not voting for either Romney or Obama, and my other statement was only if I was forced to choose. Either person is going to get the same outcome for this country and come 2016 I will be able to proudly state that I didn't put either of them in office. Just like I didn't vote for McCain or Obama.

You tell me my post count is equal to my IQ, yet you cannot spell ridiculous right. That's awe inspiring. Especially considering I didn't make assumptions about him and I will keep the assumptions I just made about you to myself, however right they probably are.

I will say this though, loving your country while fearing your government don't go hand-in-hand. It's sad that a fictional character from a movie got it more right than you.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

Let us know when you are ready to stand up for what you believe in and make a change. Voting for one or the other just for the sake of voting for one of the two likely winners, when you don't believe in either, is another vote for the machine that will slowly continue stripping your rights.

"Let us know when you are ready to stand up for what you believe in and make a change. Voting for one or the other just for the sake of voting for one of the two likely winners, when you don't believe in either, is another vote for the machine that will slowly continue stripping your rights."


***Yep, and that's exactly why I have stated over and over again that until we abolish the two party system and a third party candidate has a real chance of being elected we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Money; it's all about money buying elections! I'm sure you all are getting emails like I am every day from both major parties asking for $5 or $10 bucks to use for their next TV ad to attack so and so who just might be raising a little more than they are and he's doing the same friggin thing. I send back a quick "F*** off" response and if everybody did that, maybe they would start to listen. There are so many lies being spread by both sides in these elections nowadays that it's just about impossible to keep up on what the truth actually is on each person running for office!

I dont like either one, but one is a known supporter for gun control and it isnt the one in office right now. Isnt that what this whole thread was about? Bassicaly a vote for Romney is a vote for gun control!!

My only hope, is that if Romney gets in, is that the Republican party keeps him in line.

I don't believe Obama will ban our guns, but I believe we will see another assault weapons ban if he gets in. (Which I am not okay with.)

I am okay with some gun control, making some mandatory requirements and record keeping for any weapon sold public or private. I don't see why legal gun owners would be worried about that, it makes tracking the source of illegally sold guns easier. Other than that, if Tommy Public wants to buy an AR-15 or a M249, as long as he isn't Tommy the Felon Public, he should be able to buy it.