More of the discrediting that Lt. Gen Boykin mentioned.

I have relatives who left Europe because of Hitler. IMO, the comparison is valid. Are you saying the Communists and Marxists in the BO administration are not accurate? Van Jones is one of many.

Third party - that is what Obama is hoping for. Split the other votes so BO gets elected.

Green Party - do research on some of their candidates and their views. See how many are Marxists or Communists. Many of the protests outside of banks were started by the Green Party - IMO puppet of BO. Did you in my previous post that the Communist Party USA has again endorsed BO?

You want a tin foil hat, because the more you post, the more certifiably nuts I think you are, you have yet to touch on one issue that matters.

The Communist Party of the USA does not need Obama's approval or support to endorse him.

In fact...

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

I think everyone here is pretty clear that you don't like Obama and get way too many spam emails that you believe. Will we ever move on to real issues? Because so far, I still don't support Obama and now I am afraid to even consider hearing more reasons on why I should vote for Romney because I don't want to be associated with everything I hate in people.

KKK Endorses the Tea Party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6wy...&feature=share

I am sure that's what they wanted. But as stated they don't have a say in who endorses them.

BO was not stupid when he put a person from Google in his administration.

I have no interest in your records. People say Romney should release his records, but what about Obama? Obama refuses to release anything. I say they both should release all their records. BO can go first.

The state of Hawaii keeps a long form. It has never surfaced in hard copy form. The WH has released more than one claimed official long form for BO. Each has multiple layers which is consistent with alterations. One had a typeface that was not around at the time. Long Form number on last version issued by WH does not coincide with birthday of BO. Former campaign worker for Hilary '08 says it does not exist, and that is from a staunch Democrat.

BO did not have to put Communists and Marxists in his administration. That WAS his choice.

If you are not willing to listen to a retired military officer who is well respected, their is nothing more to do for you. May your eyes and the eyes of many others be opened before it is too late.

You are insane, certifiably.

I don't recall a witch hunt against Bush who also didn't release the records you want from Obama. You make the right look like they have collectively lost their mind. For 4 years they have been chasing this myth that Obama is not legally eligible for Presidency. It has done nothing for them, nothing, if anything you guys claim was true, lawyer's and congressmen everywhere would be in court over this.

Welcome to the digital age. My replacement long form was printed up from a computer. It has what looks eerily similar to Microsoft Sans on it, which I know wasn't around in 1984. I happen to have Photoshop, I dabble in graphics for the car community I help administer. You know what I see when I look at that PDF form? I see a page framed by a digital background, such as what would come from scanning the page into a file, not multiple layers.

I can find the same information on Yahoo and Bing. Just go build a tin foil castle already.

Maybe you should devote multiple paragraphs to this fact rather than a sentence here or there on it, because it is the only thing you have posted that is actually damning.

Also, you should be aware that when you convert a file to a PDF, it enhances the file, sharpens the edges and smooths out text. I could actually show you proof of this if you would like.

EDIT:

I chose this one, because it demonstrates one of Acrobat's other peculiarities...it formatted some text out of alignment and not other. I hypothesize this is due to the anti-aliasing layer it automatically adds to the document using a gradient style pixelation to smooth out and change the text.

Word Version:



Direct PDF Conversion:

SpawnedX, you have said that you don't really like obumma. Yet, all you do is defend him! I don't get it! Everyone knows that ANY third party vote IS a vote for obumma! Even NOT voting is a vote for obumma! So why waste your time and gas to throw away a vote to obumma or to make a "third party statement?"
You are a new hunter, November is hunting season, go enjoy it while you still can!
BTW, to say you are not just trolling, all the posts you've made are to this thread except 2! You also talk big on guns and bullets, but you are all for MORE gun laws!
You've contradicted yourself several times! If you truely are somewhat consevative or 3rd. Party, why do you expound the virtues of obumma so much? And then you flip-flop again to how bad it will be after he is re-elected! So bad, "that you will need all your guns and bullets!" Being a smart, rational, Patriot, you should know that if we take care of our Constitution, we might not have to face a civil war! Thats a no-win situation that no one wants!
There is absolutely no wisdom in allowing obumma 4 more years to wreck America and distroy the Constitution! obumma is the most unqualified president in American history! At least Carter ran a peanut farm before being president!
Lets see obumma's credentials:
Learned everything he believes in from radical, socialist, and Muslim thugs.
Will not release any of his records, but demands the Romney release his tax record.
No business experience.
No military experience.
He was a rookie Senator.
Whipped right past a "shoe-in-president" Hillary Clinton. (That was pretty fishy! He basically popped out of thin air! And to think, conservatives feared what she would do to the Constitution!)

What has he done since being elected?.......:
First, he went on a world tour. Apologizing for everything that America has ever done.
Bowed down to foreign officials, yet he is arrogant and rude to Americans.
Replaced Christian White House meetings with Muslim worship services!
Weak on national defense.
Fired up the printing presses to the point that you can wipe your arse with the dollar!
DID NOT follow through on any of his promises except "obumma Care!"

What he will do with 4 more years:
Will work to get his socialist adgenda pushed forward without any worry of re-election!
More Executive Orders.
More Czar appointments to non-existant positions.
Possibly worst of all, obumma could shape the Supreme Court for decades!

While Romney may not be the strongest conservative, he is NOT "just the lesser of two evils!" He is far more qualified than obumma!

After reading all the posts and checking all the facts, I have come to the conclusion that we are screwed either way it goes! So here is the only and obvious choice!



Hell, they would get my vote!!!

Because there is more things to vote on than just the President. I don't support Obama, I also don't support conspiracy theory. I don't support fear mongering, on either side, and I don't support red herring philosphies.

I will. Just like I will next November, and the November after that.

The only gun laws I am for are the very same ones I have to abide by already in my state. The argument that you are trying to propose is that these laws make it more difficult to obtain guns, and I am asking someone to explain HOW. If you cannot explain your own stance, why should anyone who might only be slightly right of center, like as me, support you? I hate to break it to you, but extreme left and extreme right cannot accomplish anything without getting moderates on board.

It seems like to me, all you really are saying is "well can't get away with tossing out these BS theories so let's change the attack plan to the person who took the time to review facts." Rather than actually giving legitimate arguments and issues and why you feel the right is just so much more logical than the left, you have people that are still talking about the stupid birther theories 4 years later after every independent news source and fact checking agency has told you, you are wrong.

This is what is wrong with America. You are what is wrong with America. You cannot engage the issues, you would rather spend more time tearing down the other side and discussing crackpot theories than coming up with a solution or tackle the tough issues.

Things I believe in:

- Illegal immigration and Obama's open door policy with them needs to end and end soon. I find it is hilarious (and disgusting) that there are people in this country, people who are being fleeced by our own government and their inability to enforce our own laws, who attack the leaders of states that are trying to protect US citizens, their jobs, their educational opportunities, their homes by tackling the giant elephant in the room known as ILLEGAL immigration. It's not racist to kick someone who came into your country ILLEGALLY out.

How does that expound Obama's virtues? Or is it just so upsetting to you that people are getting really sick of the nonsense the extreme right are spouting?

- Gay marriage. I am a Christian. I also could care less if gay individuals could get married under man's law. Why? Because God went through great detail to explain to you that His law and man's law are not the same, that man's law is a temporary but necessary evil in the grand scope of things. So what if these people get a piece of paper from some courthouse somewhere that says they are married? Doesn't change the fact that they will have to answer before God for their actions.

Oh no...look at that, I hold a left of center view on something, while holding an ultra-conservative view on another. That's called independent thought.

- Abortion. In most cases I am opposed to it. However, if a woman was raped I do not think anyone should force her to live with that reminder. Otherwise, abortion because you didn't use a rubber is dispicable. People need to grow up and accept responsibility for their actions and not kill a new life out of their own selfish wants.

Oh crap, he is back on the right side of center with this one.

- Worldview and colonialism. I personally am sick of seeing my friends go off to foreign wars to protect people that hate us and will hate us when we leave. Heck Karzai hates us while we are there. I don't want to be the world police anymore. I want to just let that portion of the world blow itself to high hell while we stop giving our tax money to countries that sit there and berate our government and citizens.

That makes me anti-colonial by the definition of the word, but it also makes me anti-apologist. What does it all mean? It means I have come to my own conclusion on things and not a parties ideology.

So...

This is a dumb statement. I clearly have demonstrated that I think it will be bad no matter who gets elected.

Democrats and Republicans both trample on our constitution. It just so happens that the only one you care about is the "Gee, golly they want muh guns! I mustn't let dem dere take my guns!"

I too support the 2nd ammendment, otherwise I wouldn't have owned a gun since I first turned 21 and obtained my permit to carry when doing tasks related to my business. However, I am not Chicken Little and can determine the difference between the fact that Obama will not take our guns but will try to limit our freedoms with them. Assault Weapon Ban? No way, don't support it. Registering guns? Already have to do it and despite populare belief getting guns hasn't been difficult for me.

There is absolute no wisdom in voting for a guy who you disagree with equally as much as the other, and you believe will damage the country equally as much as the other. That's stupid.

I predicted before even reading the list that you would travel down the conspiracy path and you proved me right.

Some of his views are disturbing. I don't necessarily believe that this man is completely incapable of formulating some of his own stances and that he just believes everything that was told to him.

Has released plenty of records, including his own tax records, which makes your statement false from the get-go. However, the records you are clamoring for, no other Presidents released either. In fact Bush was more vehemently opposed to releasing his school records than Obama, and neither of them released them, but I guess anything that happened before 2008 is too difficult for you to remember?

And it's not required to be President. So this is where someone makes up their mind on if they want someone with business experience or not. As a small business owner, who would be completely unaffected by any of his tax changes, I still didn't vote for him on almost this entire reason alone.

So? This once again is something that matters to each person, left or right, differently. It's once again, not a requirement to be President.

Okay? Just another thing that one should use to formulate their own personal opinion and realize it is not a requirement to have been a Senator for 3 decades to be President.

The poll numbers are a matter of public record, here you go creeping down the path of conspiracy theory again. He had more support, which means he was the most likely to secure a Democratic Presidency and therefore he got the nomination. It's a no brainer.

I cannot contain my joy.

Well, minus the whole fact that he has actually never issued an apology, his perceived sentiment does make me ill.

Obama has never been rude to me, so your statement is basically bullocks. I don't know if he bowed down to foreign officials, but he has definitely not taken a strong enough approach with them, again something that makes me angry.

There's the good little conspiracy theorist I knew was just itching to come out of you.

I mean now you are just believing internet meme's, something even more laughable than spouting chain email rhetoric.

http://www.religionnews.com/culture/...-meme-is-false

I think you are just copying and pasting now. I am going to prove that by asking you to expand on this point so I actually can engage it as an issue, one in which I side slightly more towards his national defense policy isn't the greatest, but certainly not the worst.

Reagan raised it 18 times, Bush 7 times. Thanks for proving my point that both sides are equally as damaging.

A little insignificant thing called facts, disagrees:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

And just to prove that I am not supporting him, here is the one's he broke:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

I don't know, I haven't been given my crystal ball yet.

And apparently Congress stopped existing in this whole law making process.

We can say that about each and every President who is elected, but okay.

Nothing to say here, he did it.

So could Romney. This is fear mongering. Both sides fear the other equally here.

Massachussetts disagrees with you, but they couldn't possibly have any experience with Romney.

Oh and here is the biggest point I want to make...

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008. Did you?

Obama wasn't up for election in 2007...

Amazing the 7 and 8 are rigth next to eachother on the keyboard and yet you still couldn't figure out what I meant?

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Also for anyone interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/tex...html?hpt=hp_t2

Watch me now debunk the Liberals silly logic.

NO! Most everyone I know could see BO and his cronies for what they really are.

Who did you vote for, your daddy? Go away troll. You may not think your a troll but everyone else knows you are. If it smells like a troll, talks like a troll and acts like a troll, then it's a troll.

You talk a lot of crap and then say you are going to vote for your daddy. What a freaking waste of cyber space you are.

A pile of poop has more substance and meaning than anything you have managed to type on this thread.

You think you are smart but you are an educated idiot.:hit:

I won't respond to you from here on. The sign says "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS"!!!!:happy0157::happy0157::happy0157:

If what you are saying is your proof then lets see it.. Romney pushed gun laws threw in Ma. and do not say that is just a state. If he was president at the time he would of pushed them onto everyone in the whole country. That is one thing Obama has not done. Obama also sign legislation for concealed weapons permits for some federal parks.. Go figure it must be a trick or something to takr away your guns.

I am a Dem and I will vote how I see fit. As a matter of fact most of this state votes Dem.. Go figure a big out door state like up here in Maine would vote to have our guns taken away??? I do not think so!! If you really want to see gun control go ask the residents of MA. what it is like.. I to see more issues than just guns but a vote for Romney is clearly a vote against gun owner's rights. Romney had lost the backing from the NRA to Dems in Ma. on more than one accasion.. He even ended up getting a hunter safety course to say he likes to hunt varmits.. Big game hunter he is.. Passing anti gun laws and all I hope you folks check and see what Romney has really done in Ma. before you vote..

Finally! Someone with some intellegence!! Obviously some of you guys dont receive the UA Journal, but I guess you do have to be a Union Plumber or Pipefitter to recieve it. If you was able to get it you would see in the March 2012 edition all the things that Obama has done for our country, like rescueing G.M.and Chrysler, by the way ALL auto indusrty loans have been paid back in full. He also fought against employers from missclasifing workers as "independent contractors" so they would not have to abide by state and federal laws. He closed major loop holes that previously sent jobs overseas, while helping engineer the largest middle-class tax cut in history. Income taxes for most middle class Americans are at the lowest levels since the 1950's. The list goes on and on, I have no time to sit here and try and educate the ignorant so all I can say is do your research!

Colorado Luckydog---Let the thread die as it's no use talking to people like this and these are ones WITH guns. How stupid can they be if they haven't seen what all has gone on that we've tried to tell them in this last four years and then figure out how many more people there are with blinders on like them. Then add in all the blacks and latinos who will vote for BO because he's of color and will keep the free money and stamps flowing to them and you will probably have another four years of this chit before we get rid of the azzhole for good. That is if he doesn't get rid of the USA before that!!! This friggin guy needs a teleprompter damn near every where he goes because he doesn't know chit from shinola and yet he will get millions of votes again. This country has so many ignorant people that just vote D or M because they say they are one that it's pathetic. From the sounds of that one post you could probably run a damn dog and put a D behind his name and the poster would probably vote for it in November, LOL!!!

fritz1 stated---"Finally! Someone with some intellegence!!"


Hey Fritz1---You might want to at least learn to spell the word correctly if you're going to use it, you big dufus, LOL! Maybe "smarts" would be easier for ya :s13:

SpawnedX you have spent as much time professing your love for Obama as you have saying your not voting for him. Let talk facts now since you seem so bent on them... You hear for one reason to get people like me and %90 of the other people in this thread fired up... your thoughts and opinions are as meaningless and worthless as your Politifact and FactCheck links. Everything you have said besides you don't like the two party system you have contradicted. your trying to light the fuse and step back to watch the fireworks. That my friend is a troll...

I agree with you on the idea that the two party system is killing this county. I disagree this is the time to try to reform that. This election is too important to waste a vote making a personal statement of protest. We are here whether its good or bad this is where we are. The american people have to choose if they want a sucessful business man with a somewhat shadey past or an unsucessful president with a completely blacked out past. I don't think Romney is the resounding heaven sent president this country needs to solve all their problem either,but I do beleive that four more years of king Obama would be a near death sentence for this country. Now is not the time to use your vote to make a statement that no one will listen to. Should you vote from your personal views? definitely, but what about voting for what is best for America as a whole?

Hah! Keep reading the propaganda sent to you by your union fat-cat, lazy arse bosses and let your head remain buried. Gm and Chrysler weren't rescued. Their burden was switched to the taxpayer and huge portions of the stock purchased by the taxpayer were subsequently sold by the gov at huge losses. The only ones that got rescued were the unions...and the gov had to break the law to do that. Because along with the slackarse punks on the street corners, the never ending line of entitled idiots with their hand-out, radical socialists who want to destroy freedom, and hateful, ugly women with hyphenated last names.....you are the base that liberal jerks are counting on. Remaining ignorant is something else they are counting on for you. So, so far......good job

what a joke....the tax rates have NOT changed since the Bush admin. The only reason many middle income families have had a decrease in tax is because they've had a decrease in income. Get it??

I have it perfectly well.. Bushies gave those tax breaks exclaiming that there would be a trickle down affect that would help keep America going. He did not state that the trickle down tax breaks would actually help other countries while this one sinks. This country was in worse shape when Bushie Jr. left office all the while he stated nothing is wrong with this country. When Clinton left office this country was in good shape. That sure has changed from presidents that is for sure. Thanks to the trickle down affect..

Well see what happens Nov. 6th wont we? Lets see, so far Romney has pissed off the Unions, the Latinos, the African-Americans, and the women. Matter of fact the only ones he hasnt pissed off are the ignorant and the wealthy. Which are you? He hasnt got a chance!!!

How exactly do you think the wealthy became wealthy in the first place?!? why don't we just go out, hunt down anyone who has been sucessfull in business and made something of their lives and take it from them because they don't deserve to be rich! Face it man the rich are rich for a freakin reason! because they worked hard because they sacrificed and because the earned it! I am so freaking tired of people wanting to punishing rich people for being rich!! its absolutely rediculous! It jealousy and entitlement as ussual.

Answer me one question robin hood. what do you think is going to happen when you start taxing corporations 40 or 50 percent..... let me give you a hint THEY LEAVE! why would a 100 billion dollar company continue business in the US if it is going to cost them billions of dollars a year? they won't and yes that may not be a nice thing to do to the employees but guess what we are a captialistic society and if they want to blame someone blame it on the people who made it cost effective to move a business out of the county. The whole idea of taxing the rich to pay the poor is irresponsible and just plain wrong. How about instead you spend more money and time trying to teach poor people to make their own darn money!

Lets state the obvious... even if Rommney gave two billion dollars to the black panthers and 5 billion to the NAACP he still wouldn't get their vote.... I wonder why? he hasn't pissed blacks or latinos off, his skin color has.


It doesn't matter who or what Rommney stands for because Obama has the union puppet on a string and he's pullin hard. That won't change. Luckily there are some people in unions who are able to think for themselves but they are hard to find!

I love it that Dee Snyder refused to let them use his song "were Not Going To Take It". Maybe the could get ahold of 2 Live Crew and use there song "Face Down Azz up", because that is what they are going to do America.
And to answer your question, people like Romney got there money from closing down, downsizing and sending manufactoring overseas because over there they dont have to obey labor laws. They got rich off the sweat of the working man. Maybe you guys need to quit watching the propaganda that Fox News spouts off and watch a unbiased Network like CNN.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA CNN is as un biased as howard stern Rev wright. There is no such thing as unbaised news and to think that there is is ignorant. everything is baised its just a matter of if they are biased in your favor or not.

BTW companies downsize so they can cut a small percentage of employees in an effort to save the rest. Downsizing is not a thing that company owners like to do its something that they have to do to preserve the business. Not to mention I think this country could use a little downsizing itself... welfare, food stamps, social security. but your right we should just put those things out of sight and out of mind and they'll fix themselves... look how well its worked the past 3 years! maybe your the one buyin the propoganda and your mind is so clouded with the love for an american hating piece of trash that you can't even think straight... just sayin...

If it wasnt for unions, you would be working over 40 hrs. a week with no overtime pay, no benifits and minimum wage would be about $3 hr. We would not have any labor laws to protect the working man, but hey I guess there are people that are willing to work for nothing.

First off I am salaried so I do work over 40 hours a week, I don't get overtime, and I have worked since I was in the eighth grade and never made anything close to minimum wage.

I am not disagreeing with you. Unions did some great things for this country and they are a necessary to keep the power equally split between labor and managment. but just like affirmative action it's gone too far. 100 years ago they had a reason to constantly be unhappy with how much they worked, how hard they worked, and how little they were getting paid but they don't have that argument anymore. That is why even though I may not like unions in this day and age I still respect their heritage.

What ever ax you have to grind about Bush has nothing to do with THE FACT that the tax rates have not changed...so for someone to imply that taxes have been lowered, as firtz did, for any other reason than lower income is just ignorant...which again, of course, is playing right into liberal hands

and fritz, I do work more than 40hrs with no overtime because a have a small business and must continually work hard to make sure that I have a financial future.

I don't usually respond to people that can use the proper version of here and hear and are more concerned with talking about conspiracy theories that don't fly than issues. I also don't love Obama, or Romney and I see why the general population believes all gun owners are off their rock. Some of you certainly advocate for that image.

Neither of these men are best from America as a whole. And newsflash, right now the Liberals are winning, because while you guys are talking Obama's birth rights, they are attack gun laws openly and loudly, while you are watching movies about theories of one ultra-right conservative, they are out there making you all look like fools very publicly. The moderates don't want to be attached to the tin foil hat wearing party, so you lose the moderates, than Romney loses.

I will continue my stance that neither men gets my vote, and unless some real hard facts come across that Romneys plans are actually more beneficial than I would much rather be the guy who gets to say I didn't put any of these clowns in than the guy who fell for a fairy tale. Have you ever looked into Ryan's budget ideas? They read like a dream come true, until you realize all he has finished was a bulletin pointed list of the areas that need changing and no actual details on how to truly accomplish it.

And like my fellow New Englander in the post, I have seen first hand what Romney really stands for an accomplishes. Which is much more than most of you can say or even be bothered to check on. Instead let's talk more about all these hunters who happen to be experts on digital files and how Obama is clearly not a US citizen and has pockets deep enough to pull a fast one on all of our government organizations combined.

As for you, you are just an idiot. Maybe if you funnelled your drunken posts into something worthy of intellectual debate, I would bother to respond to you in a civil manner, but from now on I am just going to refer to you Colorado's LameDog.

Sure seems as if I've seen fritz1 and the word ignorant used a lot together on this thread, LOL! PS: What the he** do wages and the minimum wage going up have to do with the current tax structure you're responding about, LOL?!

Just because you are a salaried payed employee, it doesnt always mean that you are not entitled to overtime. I would really suggest looking into that if I was you. Really, I would talk to a lawyer about it.
You may have never had to work for minimum wage, niether have I, but unfortunately there are many people that have. If the Republicans had there way there would be alot more working for it.

"I use the word ignorant because it is the only nice way to clean it up and speak my mind on here."


That just proves what I mentioned , as I wasn't talking about your use of the word, LOL!

SpawnedX:
KMA! You ARE nothing more than a troll!
1. You did not vote for obumma in '08, so what?
You defend him at every opportunity! Maybe the only reason you did not vote for obumma is that you were not of voting age!
2. You sound like an educated dumbarse!
3. You claim to be a more-or-less 3rd. Party conservative. Yet, you drool over obumma like a preteen with a crush on a senior!

Last but not least........
4. You've made more statements to the fact that you will need your "guns & bullets," in an obumma 2nd. term than ANYONE with ANY logical brain would possibly make! (You seem to imply that you would "welcome" a civil war in this country! NO sane person would EVER wish that on America!)

TROLL-TROLL-TROLL!


BTW, don't bother to respond to this post! I will NOT play your game anymore! Your TRUE colors have bled through, no matter how hard you have tried to disguise them!

I have been working from age 13. Member of 2 unions. Member of management twice! Liberal kool-aid drinker until I started thinking for myself!
No doubt, the unions of old have helped worker rights!
Today's unions however, are no better than what the unions claim is "wrong" with "Big Business." THEY ARE IN IT FOR THEMSELVES!
90% of your union dues go to a LEFTIST POLITICAL ADGENDA & THE FAT-CAT UNION BOSSES!
I still get letters about who to vote for! (Wasted postage money!)
IF, most union members would wake up, and realize what they are paying for, DOES NOT match their own views, the true FAT-CATS," would be out of a job!

Has anyone checked the polls in the last couple of days?:party0005:

Yes, I believe the "underdog" is pulling ahead! Might even be a blow-out by November!