View Poll Results: Which would you prefer to see?
6mm-06
4
21.05%
6mm-284
2
10.53%
No Room / No Need / Wouldn't survive
14
73.68%
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Is there room for another .243/6mm??
08-01-2011 | 06:48 PM
#1
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Giant Nontypical
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From: IL
Is there room for another .243/6mm??
We have the .240wby, but that uses a very unique case, can't be formed from any other case I believe.
Do you think a 6mm-06 would catch on?
Would you rather see a 6mm-284?
Perhaps if they marketed it for heavy bullets with high BC for the .243...such as 105, 115gr?
Fast, Flat, High BC
Perhaps marketed for big game, kinda a new .25-06, or .270, flatter, with higher BC?
The .240wby has great ballistics but wouldn't a 6mm-06 instantly be way more popular since it comes from the '06 case?
Course with the magnum craze perhaps there's little demand for a 6mm-06??
What do you guys think?
Do you think a 6mm-06 would catch on?
Would you rather see a 6mm-284?
Perhaps if they marketed it for heavy bullets with high BC for the .243...such as 105, 115gr?
Fast, Flat, High BC
Perhaps marketed for big game, kinda a new .25-06, or .270, flatter, with higher BC?
The .240wby has great ballistics but wouldn't a 6mm-06 instantly be way more popular since it comes from the '06 case?
Course with the magnum craze perhaps there's little demand for a 6mm-06??
What do you guys think?
Last edited by salukipv1; 08-01-2011 at 06:51 PM.
08-01-2011 | 06:58 PM
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Typical Buck
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Personally I think that we are getting to the point that the market is soaked with different calibers. Time and time again people stick with the tried and true cals. And as for the people that like different cals we are already doing wildcats etc. Which we then really don't need someone to mass produce a different cal. And anyways the new 6.5 creedmor is taking off like a bandit.
08-01-2011 | 07:56 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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08-02-2011 | 08:20 AM
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Typical Buck
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The 240Wby IS essentially a "24/06" with the pre-requisite Wby belt and double radius shoulder added to an 06 case. The 240 Wby shell holds 64grns of water and the 243Win holds 55grns. Other than the Rocket (22) think it's about the worse seller Wby had. Doesn't mean it was a bad round, but other than the 243Win, America just never has been a 6mm market on a large scale.
I want to say Lazzeroni initially offered or at least toyed with a 6mm pill in his shortmag case (capacity wise comparable to a 300Wby but in a short action length case) but they aren't listed in his offerings now. Based on what the case drives 25 cals it should drive 6mm bullets in the 3800-4000+fps. I have had a Lazzeroni Warbird (long action 30cal) since his first batch of Sako TRGs were offered in 1999. When you start driving hunting bullets at 38-4k+ fps you BETTER stick with super tough bullets like those from Barnes etc or you're going to needlessly destroy alot of meat, capes and trophies. But make NO mistake, any projectile doing 4k fps produces laser like trajectories, awesome retained energies and penetration and 400yd shots are suddenly childsplay and little more than "point and click" assuming you have good optics, a good rest and know the rifle prior to opening morning.
All that being said, most folks just don't trust the little 6mm as much as they should. Honestly with respects to terminal performance a quality 24cal 100 grain bullet traveling 3500fps will do anything a quality 25cal 100grain bullet traveling 3500fps will do!!! I've owned a 25/06 and my boys both have 243s and with Barnes bullets in either you'd be hard pressed to notice any difference in real world effects on deer sized game. But realistically I've always felt that when most folks buy a 6mm they are doing it for 1-2 main reasons, they want 1 gun that is suitable for varmints and deer sized game and/or they are buying a big game rifle for light recoil for either women/kids or they just to enjoy smaller guns themselves. When you start hot rodding the 6mms with big cases and alot of powder you kind of start taking away their allure and if you are going to put up with more muzzle blast and recoil you might as well shoot a bigger bullet. A whitetail shot at 300yds with a 6mm bullet isn't going to be able to tell you if it came from a 243, a 6mmRem or a 240Wby.
IMHO spend some honest time with the 243 and quality bullets and you'll only grow to love it more with each passing year...
Least that's the way I see it after 20 years of selling guns in the sporting goods biz in the mid-south,
HL
I want to say Lazzeroni initially offered or at least toyed with a 6mm pill in his shortmag case (capacity wise comparable to a 300Wby but in a short action length case) but they aren't listed in his offerings now. Based on what the case drives 25 cals it should drive 6mm bullets in the 3800-4000+fps. I have had a Lazzeroni Warbird (long action 30cal) since his first batch of Sako TRGs were offered in 1999. When you start driving hunting bullets at 38-4k+ fps you BETTER stick with super tough bullets like those from Barnes etc or you're going to needlessly destroy alot of meat, capes and trophies. But make NO mistake, any projectile doing 4k fps produces laser like trajectories, awesome retained energies and penetration and 400yd shots are suddenly childsplay and little more than "point and click" assuming you have good optics, a good rest and know the rifle prior to opening morning.
All that being said, most folks just don't trust the little 6mm as much as they should. Honestly with respects to terminal performance a quality 24cal 100 grain bullet traveling 3500fps will do anything a quality 25cal 100grain bullet traveling 3500fps will do!!! I've owned a 25/06 and my boys both have 243s and with Barnes bullets in either you'd be hard pressed to notice any difference in real world effects on deer sized game. But realistically I've always felt that when most folks buy a 6mm they are doing it for 1-2 main reasons, they want 1 gun that is suitable for varmints and deer sized game and/or they are buying a big game rifle for light recoil for either women/kids or they just to enjoy smaller guns themselves. When you start hot rodding the 6mms with big cases and alot of powder you kind of start taking away their allure and if you are going to put up with more muzzle blast and recoil you might as well shoot a bigger bullet. A whitetail shot at 300yds with a 6mm bullet isn't going to be able to tell you if it came from a 243, a 6mmRem or a 240Wby.
IMHO spend some honest time with the 243 and quality bullets and you'll only grow to love it more with each passing year...
Least that's the way I see it after 20 years of selling guns in the sporting goods biz in the mid-south,
HL
08-29-2011 | 09:41 PM
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Spike
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Both loaded with 70 grain bullet.
6mm remington 3682 fps energy 2108 lbs
6-06 ackley 4132 fps energy 2655 lbs
with 450 more fps & 547 more lbs
the 6mm rem is not quite that good
08-30-2011 | 11:08 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Idaho
I am not trying to start a pissing match but what load are you using to acheive those results? The 6mm-06 has almost identical case capacity as the 240 weatherby mag and it only pushes a 70gr. bullet at 3700fps, using 54grs. of IMR4831 and also shooting out of a24" barrel.