Yep got it here. Your a hipoctate.

If I'm a hipoctate, could you explain yourself? Is that something I need to go to the doctor for? What the heck are you trying to say?

You have no problem with Rem Settling.
With setteling comes responsiblity of actions taken or did.
How much resposibility? I don't know, but at least some. Sure the kid didn't deserve to die, and the mom did everything wrong that could have gone wrong. But with Rem settling this case they took responsibilty as well.Remington should never have done it, but they did.And your all for it..But at the same time want you want Remington to have no reponsibilty at all, for any of it, for a court case they settled on.Take my advice, take over the Rem Management hire qualified personal, fire the lawyers and
get these cases overturned.And I agree this terrible rumer hurts gun owners. So
when you get to head office, first on the agenda ..Is to make Remington stop Settling Court Cases.It works both sides you see..Some form of guilt comes with settling.
Cause your right it does hurt all gun owners. Put the blame squarly on the guilty party
whomever it may be..

To: Remington Vendors, Customers and Industry Partners

Date: October 21, 2010

Re: CNBC "Documentary"

In response to last night's inaccurate CNBC program we launched www.Remington700.tv.

"CNBC ignored facts and information provided by Remington and instead relied on allegations, misleading anecdotes, and false claims. Over 5 million Model 700s have been safely and reliably used by millions of shooters, military personnel and law enforcement officers for almost fifty years"

Damn, you really dont understand how lawsuits work, do you? Im no lawyer myself, but even I realize that the way it works is, the ambulance chaser attorney, displays photos of a dead kid shot with a rem700, in front of a jury of people who know nothing about how firearms operate, and they award the plaintiff with waaaaaaaaaaay more $$$ than they would have gotten, if they settled out of court, get it? I has nothing to do with guilt. I explained that before, guess you missed it.

I'm amazed this thread is now at 18 pages.

Nothing else in this threads matters until, John tells me what the heck a "hipoctate" is! If I'm a stinking "hipoctate" I need to know what one is. LMFAO!!!;)

So am I.. Oh well helps the thread count..LOL
I just remembered, 5 of us once did a debate in Grade 12 English about the
Earth being flat.. LOL Wouldn't say we won but we didn't lose by any means we where convincing the rest of the class something else.The class bell had to end that one. So there was no adjurnment and deciding victor.
A debate that shoulda ended in a matter of a few minutes with an overwhelling convincing victory for the other team took all class and the classroom bell had to end it.The Teacher gave my group an 100%. I love this stuff just love it.

Nope didn't miss it, Just didn't bother replying, only so much time for this place. Money to be made and Family resposibilties. Take priority over this Forum and alot of replies. I understand how lawsuits work. I don't agree with Companies decisions on how to act on them. But when you act, you get some type of reaction back. I just a different perseption on the outcome of a settlement than you do and you haven't changed my mind yet.Cause I am right.I will stand behind it..Cause you don't settle if your innocent.I don't care how much money you save. I uderstand court. Understand evidence showed how jury selection works.But unless evidence was there to suggest otherwise Remington ( If they are as innocent as the claim to be) should see it
to the end and get a proven record.But they settled, and it opened the door for somebody else, and somebody else. And these little settlements have gotten to the point where people are questioning the Remington..
If you want, Settle, encourage it, explain it more of you want I don't care. LOL The fact remains Remington cannot get this CNBC program off the air.
And we are on 18 pages now on Huntingnet. LOL
And they are probably spending millions more settling
Probably millions more advertising how safe they are.
Probably millions trying to get these Broadcasts off the air.
And I'm just a gunowners wanting to purchase a gun looking at it all
and thinking geez. Maybe there is a likely possibiltity that Remington
did let a few of these trigger issue rifles pass inspection and get shipped out .Not all but a few of these guns go .. Cause if CNBC and CBS
have and are airing these programs continuously and havn't been stopped in the court of law and havn't been stopped yet.Something is not right.
Makes me wonder, geez is this money a consumer spends on a Rem rifle going back into everything needed to make a quality rifle?
Or is most of this money going back into setteling this lawsuits and defending their reputation.
I have no sympathy for Remington at the moment. As far as I'm concerned
they brought this on themselves.

HaHa you got me laughing as well. Cool thanks needed that..
Have no clue what that is..LOL..I even tried looking that spelling up.
Nothing I could find in English dictionary.
Ah I don't know what to say there Dude..
Good Call..
Thats funny though..Made my night. LOL
Until morning..
My names not John..LOL
But reguardless I'm not finished by ny means..
Hope your not either.

Jeff, you crack me up! Your a good dude!!:)

It's " something that comes from the mouth before the head was made where the tail was meant to be".:p

When the inventor of such a prolific device comes forward with allegations that his own design is flawed, it can't be ignored.

I'm sure you'll all call bs but I know someone that had a factory 700 that would fire with movement of the safety. Remington promptly replaced the rifle. This was nearly 10 years ago now. I have always known about this issue and I've been telling people about it for some time.

You guys keep on defending. You're being foolish because you feel that you have stock. You really don't.

Tom

Lucky Dog..
Thanks for the compliment.
You defending Remington to the death is admirable.
If you owned that company would you have settled or would you have seen it through got a verdict. And if you wern't pleased appealed it?
What do you think Remington should do?

I see this fairly regularly. There is a cost analysis as to what it will cost to go to trial and the risk of a massive verdictl vs. what it will cost to settle. They even consider the judge's attributes (is he considered a plaintiff's judge?) as well as the political makeup of the jury pool. (For example, South Texas is renowned for having juries that give huge verdicts). And, it is often the insurance company and its underwriters/statisticians who call the shots, not the client.

I'm still convinced that the vast majority of these "accidents" were, in fact, negligent handling on the part of the owner ("MY FINGER NEVER TOUCHED THE TRIGGER!!!! HONEST!!!!"), or owners who adjusted or otherwise messed with the triggers without knowing what they were doing.

[QUOTE=statjunk;3784217]When the inventor of such a prolific device comes forward with allegations that his own design is flawed, it can't be ignored.I'm sure you'll all call bs but I know someone that had a factory 700 that would fire with movement of the safety. Remington promptly replaced the rifle. This was nearly 10 years ago now. I have always known about this issue and I've been telling people about it for some time.
You guys keep on defending. You're being foolish because you feel that you have stock. You really don't.
Tom[/QUOTE)


I disagree.. If you love something and feel it is of value and feel they are getting taken advantage of, you fight for it cause you believe in it..I'm only trying to point out reasons why people may feel the way they do.
You have your reasons, you've witness certain things and you are entitled to your opinion on them.But I believe people when they say they have no issues and they have have every right to feel they have stock in their rifles and are proud to own them.Some Rem owners may feel disappointed in the current production quality of the Rem now. They have every right to feel that way as well and bring their points to the table about these issues.
My favorite gun is a Husqvarna Rifle now, that they are out of business
I don't have a leg to stand on if an issue happened to those but I would defend them as much as I could cause am very pleased with mine.But before the went under, rumers have it they even declined in the way they were manufactured.

I think they should do what they are doing. I'm sure they have looked at this from every angle and they make their decisions on what makes the most financial sense. When it comes to those decisions you have to use your mind, not your heart.

Im not sure whats so hard to understand here. A company can settle out of court for a relatively small amount of $$$, or take their chances with a jury of people, who would probably be home watching jerry springer, if they werent serving jury duty. What would it even prove if they did? Even if they win, the media will still attack the firearms industry, and 75% of the public out there, will buy into it.

I also dont get why, if you dont buy into the CNBC BS, youre some kinda remington defender, like I could care less if remington sells another rifle ever, I just dont buy into the internet and media hype about poor quality ,and dangerous triggers. Call me whatever, but I believe in seeing it, before believing it.

On a final note, is there some sort of page limit on dumb threads or something? Why would someone who thinks there should be, keep posting in one?

I love my Husky chainsaw as well. But I've got a Stihl too..
Both are top notch.But Both have their good and bad points, so I bought both.Now I've got the perfect setup.LOL.

My 2-Cents, Ladies and Gents,
 

Fritz1,

Hope you are still following this thread, sorry it took so long to reply, been busy and on vacation.

First point, a fire sale means heavily discounted, not offered at the original asking price. Don't pay any attention to MSRP for firearms, all firearm Mfrs have pie in the sky MSRPs listed in their catalogs / websites, my experience/opinion.

And for your information, caliber ( or should I be pre-corrected by stating "cartridge choice", just so we don't startup that nonsense argument with the English majors that enjoy this site ) usually does not affect a given mfg/model/finish prices unless you are comparing a mag. to a non-mag. offering, example a 7mmRemMag and a 300WinMag are going to cost the same for the same make----> MFG/model/finish of firearm, ALMOST always.

The reason items are put on sale is to clear out inventory when that inventory is not moving at "normal" pricing levels. Or when you want to give your competition a hard time ( Cabelas vs. Walmart ). I am not making this up. In my experience as a gun dealer, I seldom found "Brownings" on sale, and when I would question my distributors the answer they would come back with is
Browning does not have to put their firearms on sale, their reputation sells the product.

You betray your shoot first, think later attitude by answering the "Gun-Tests" portion of my post.

Do some research before you fire up Ye'Ole keyboard..............Gun Tests does not take advertising.:busted:

And since they are pricey as far as subscriptions go >$25/year ( greater than Twenty-Five dollars per year, that's what all those symbols mean ), I seriously doubt that you have ever examined a single issue of GUN-Tests, or consumers reports, now have you?:sad:

Before responding to another post please know what you are talking about. No, forget that. Instead invite me to deer camp, I have a feeling I could make a lot of money off of someone like you!!!:guiness: Wanna bet?

Best Regards, GAO

Say what you will, but to be honest, I wouldnt own a new Browning. I have several Brownings but they were made when a Browning was a real gun, they are Belgium made and not some *** crap! Brownings are made in Japan because they dont want to have to pay someone a honest wage for their labor so they have Japers put them together cheaply and charge alot for a gun that didnt cost them squat to build, its all about profit, not quality. I will stick with good ole American made guns and support are economy instead of supporting a foriegn countries economy.

My 2-Cents
 

Bob,

My apologies for the late reply,

Poll numbers mean nothing, the fact that more people on this site own Remingtons is the fact contributing factor as to why they lead the popularity poll on this site.
Here's a story to back up my one of my reasons for being a little more than suspect about Remingtons quality. A very good friend of mine, "Larry" a fellow FFL dealer and co-worker at the company that we both worked at for over 30 years ( Major computer chip mfr) in quality / reliability / product assurance engineering, went to Remington and took a gun smithing course offered by Remington at the time ( mid-late nineties?? can't remember the exact date). Larry has passed on now so he won't be of much help. Larry was offered a tour thru Rem.s customer service center, during his 2 or 3 week stay there. To say the least he was not impressed. As a matter of fact I don't believe he ever purchased another Remington after that for his own use and would do his most to make sure his customers would consider other mfrs before placing an order for a Remington thru him. And Larry never had a bad thing to say about just about any single Mfr, until he took this tour. And by the way, he enjoyed and excelled at the armorers course he took at Remington. He just was not impressed with the customer service area, for too many reasons to list here.

Remember that there is a difference between the number of lemons and the percentage of lemons.

IMO TC and Ruger quality and customer service are way above par. Perfect, who is? I am drawing off my experiences as well as other dealer I know of.

Where in my post did you feel I was whining?:confused0024:

And you are trying to convince me that you get what you pay for?!? Did you read the part that said I have a business that sells firearms?

I was giving my 2-cents worth, and for the record, I've owned, do currently own, have purchased and /or sold all of the firearms I mentioned in the original post. I do not make a greater commission or profit on one firearm or another. It comes down to the fact that I am basically lazy and don't like to take on "Service after the sale" any more than necessary.

You'll have to go back and research the posts where folks on this site and other sites for that matter, would spout off and talk about how much money they saved by purchasing their firearm or Muzzle-loader at Walmart versus a locale gun-shop.
As you have correctly stated, very few "Marts" including Wally-world are selling firearms these days. So I wonder who's providing service after the sale to all of those cost minded folks that got the deal at Walmart? Wally's gotten a little afraid of lawsuits!!!:wink:

Best Regards, GAO

The quality, fit, and finish on the latest Browning X-Bolt I purchased is much better than the last Remington CDL I purchased in 2008(when compared side by side). The Browning was less money and shoots much better as well.....and both rifles are the same cartridge.

My votes would still be Remington

Stop it - personal attacks are against HNI rules - man I hate editing ~ just as soon lock this thread and delete the whole mess.

JW

.......anyway, I just talked to the gunsmith and my XCR should be ready next week!!:party0005:

JW,

At least two users in this tread are hell-bent on causing problems and haven't added a constructive post yet.
Is there some type of age limit or maturity spec users on this site need to pass before they are allowed to post?
Huntingnet is becoming Romper room in the last number of years. Lot's of posts, no information.

Larry, from the land beyond.

For your information....Huntingnet went through some hard times in the past couple of years. We are on our way back. This site is not what it used to be but it is headed in the right direction. Trolls like you just need to be banned again and again until you get tired of coming back. It's funny that you make a "maturity spec" remark while you are in the middle of a very childish post. LMFAO!

Ill add # 194 to that list:s13:

Thread is locked ~ I have also alerted Admins and am awaiting their review.

JW