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Well, my brother is not much of a shooter. He has guns but don' t take the time to go shooting much or take his son shooting. So he asked which 22LR to by my nephew for his B-Day, age 9, I said a 10/22, hands down. He goes and gets him this Rem 597, I think cause they were on sale at wally world. A semi. Well, I am in Ky for a few days and take him shooting to sight the scope in. This thing jams like nobodies business. Needless to say his feelings was hurt, cause I have been shooting my 10/22 without a mishap. He says " uncle mark, I wish dad got me a gun like yours" . I felt like giving him mine. I told big brother the rems were jammers and told him the dismay I have had with big green out the last 5 of them I have bought. I mean this thing cost 120 dollars. A few more dollars and he could have had a marlin, or my ruger, or anything but this rifle. I hate seeing my nephew disappointed.

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i dont know whats wrong with remington.......why put out junk and hurt your name??...oh well its not my company....i agree a 10/22 is a great semi 22......my dad bought a semi 22.....its a savage....like 100 bucks at walmart.....he gave it to me....ive put countless rounds through it.....my only complaint is i cant find mags for it!! i like it alot...even if it is a savage.....that would beat a 597 any day.....all i heard about them is bad.....too bad you brother didnt listen.......

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I have one too and what a piece of crap. I finally got it to shoot after grinding down the ejector and filing the extractor so it would sling the spent cases out the ejection port and not into the top of the reciever. Remington didn' t want to help a bit either when I called them about it. Pay a gunsmith, yeah right.

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Your brother asks for advice, then doesn' t follow it. What can you say? Maybe get the kid a good rifle for Christmas or his birthday.

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My brother is Mr. Company man and throws money at issues. So his solution for buying my nephew a gun is go to Walmart the day of his birthday and if they don' t have have the ruger, get the highest price substitute cause its too much trouble to find one.

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Had a 597 once.............HAD. Jammed like a peanut butter sammich.

These Remington junk reports are getting a little too common for me. I' m going to stick with my older Rem' s.............................

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The 597' s and 710' s have just about ruined Remingtons reputation!
Right now I would not buy ANY new Remington!

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i saw an ad in a hunting magazine where rem is offering the new .17 cal in " YOU GUESSED IT" MODEL 597!;)

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Well the boys got it and is depressed as all get out. Ok, what seems to be the major problem on this rifle? Is it the ejector? Seems to me that the clip is not that great? Can it be fixed? I am going to see if my gunsmith up in MD can do anything for it. Doesn' t look as cut and dry taking apart. Actually I shot some stingers thru it this morning and it only jams 1 out 15 shots or so.

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Sat next to a kid in the Emergency room once.........I was there for a Softball injury, but HE was there because his hand was bleeding and full of little chunks of brass from a .22 case that blew up on him because he was trying to extract a misfed round on a semi-auto .22 with a screwdriver. [:o] Wasn' t very pretty.........and they left him wait just like everyone else to boot.

If that thing doesn' t get worked out, and you decide he still should keep it please take the time to show him how to properly handle a situation like a stuck misfed round.........empty cases are one thing. Live rounds are another.

Sounds like a piece of CRAP.........I' d take it back to Wally World and raise holy hell that it doesn' t work! They' ll refund the money if you whine hard enough and maybe threaten bodily harm. Then take the boy and his money and get him that Ruger 10/22.

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Bigcountry,
There is no fix for a piece of crap like the 597! The whole thing is junk!
The best use of a 597 is a door prop, paper weight, or troutline anchor!
Get him another gun whenever its possible. Good luck!

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I ground down the ejector to a small point, so that it looed like a half circle, and got rid of the flat surface that comes into contact with the spent case. It' s kind of hard to explain but if you take out the ejector and place a dime on it so that there now is a point at the top you should be able to see what I am talking about.


I also took out the extractor and filed it down with a small fine file so that the " point" of the extractor was centered instead of being on the bottom. It ejects the cases straight out now instead of into the top of the receiver.

The gun is really easy to take apart. It' s only heald together with pins.

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I can tell you right now what the major problem is: Remington. That company is notorious for making complete junk and if it wasn' t for their Titanium line, they shouldn' t even be allowed to make rifles anymore.:D

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Oh come on, Remington is just trying to add a challange to hunting and shooting. Poor accuracy, poor quality control, poor reliability and poor service. What else can they do to increase the challange of shooting?

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I will agree that the 597 is junk. I would also say that the ADL has poor quality control. But what is wrong with the 870 Wingmaster??

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I AM SORRY GUYS,BUT I CANNOT BE A PART OF YOUR BASHING OF REM. PRODUCTS BECAUSE OF THE 597 AND 710.COMPETION IN THE FIREARMS BUSINESS HAS GOT TO BE FIERCE.THE REM LINE PROBABLY HAS MORE FIREARMS IN THE FIELD THAN ANY OTHER.IT IS LIKE ZEBCO REELS,I HAVE BEEN BUYING THEM FOR 30 YEARS AND NOW WILL NOT BUY THEM BECAUSE ALL THE 33S I HAVE BOUGHT IN THEN LAST 10 YEARS SRE SO CHEAPLY MADE THEY ARE NO GOOD.HOWEVER,IF THE OLD SAYING OF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR IS TRUE,STAY AWAY FROM THE LOW END MODELS THAT ARE SOLD AT MOSSBERG AND SAVAGE PRICES! I DON' T THINK THEY MAKE BETTER GUNS THAN THE 870,1100,1187,3200 OR 700.:eek:

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Bummer. See guys I got a volitile situation. Got a kid with his first 22LR, who is depressed. Got a brother with some serious sibling rivalry that says, " you think you are an expert about guns" . Ah, he can work it out. Life is full of disappointments. He better learn it now.

You know I was thinking about how dangerous this could be for a kid his age. I was digging out parts of brass that got hung up. With another round going in. your right, this could be dangerous. Thinking about giving him mine before going back to MD. I can always pick up another one.

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Loner, I got a 270 700 that is a great weapon. But its 15 years old. I also have a great 870 and 1187. I like my browning gold better, but still the 1187 is good. But have you tried out these newer 700' s. Last three had serious issues. One I finally got rebarreled. One had to have a crown recut. (HOW DO YOU SCREW UP A CROWN). And all have the roughest barrels I have seen.

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As a gunsmith I probably see more guns with problems then most people. If you look in my racks you can see what not to buy by how many of what are there. First on the list is the Rem semi autos, but you will not see many in my shop any more, I wont for the most part work on them. You will see lots of newer 700 Rems with everything from rough barrels accuracy problems to trigger problems. I will say here that most of the trigger problems are from over lubrication and dried, gumed up oil. I am very supicious that this is what their trigger problem is caused by as several of the gummed up rifles went off on their owners at inopertune moments.
For the most part Remington shotguns are rather good and trouble free, but even here the quality control is not what it used to be. I think that most of the problem is that Big Green has gotten too big and is forgetting how they got there.
It is you people out there that put them up there as one of the big guys. If Remington does not watch out it will be you people who will bring them down from there too.
Big companies seem to forget a very important fact that small businesses can' t When a Rifle leaves my shop my name and reputation are leaving with it.
When a gun leaves the Remington factory their name and reputation also go with it. If you can not do it right then don' t send it out there is no excuse for poor quality control or poor quality. So guys, keep at it Remington may smarten up, either that or everybody will be shooting Savage or Rugers.

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You know I think it is about atitude more than anything. I believe its always bad to try to market share by putting out lower value rifles, cars or anything. My company is doing that now. We have the best fiber optics gear in the business. All people love our gear. But hate the pricetag. But some buy it anyway. Now those are lifetime buyers. Now we are putting out a very cheap version, now that reputation might stick with us for decades to come. We are not the golden standard any more.

Another example, is cadilac. People used to buy them for thier reputation and generally status symbol. Now they put out these cheap cadis. I believe they hurt their reputation. For the short term they gain market share, but long term, thier long time big rollers buyers, won' t buy them. Not a status symbol anymore.

Let me give you an example. Sako has not ever put out a bottom value gun. People will pay that 1K pricetag just for reputation. Now they own Tikka. Still quality gun, but less price. Now any lower than that, and they will be hurtin thier reputation. I hope they don' t follow Winchester or Remington with thier " 710" versions just to compete.

The only company that has gotten away with this plan of getting market share, is maybe Weatherby with thier Walmart special versions.

Look at Harley Davidson. They are still working on repairing thier reputation from the 70' s version of their " cheaper to compete with Japan" motorcycles. I had one of these peices of junk. But still ride HD. And still try to convince people that that decade was just a bad time.

Your reputation is an invaluable thing. Companies like my own needs to protect that over all else. I talk to the VP' s about this. But thier thought is " Mark it saves jobs" and gets us over this hump in the economy. But I say " once you go down this road, there is no turning back" . Savage makes a good firearm for the money, but still struggling to repair thier reputation.

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Well i will say i am partial to the remington 700' s but i have none none that were built after 2000. all shoot very well .

But i won' t buy a new remington of anything as of now. it bent me out of shape when remington put theh klintoon key on there guns. there finish on floorplates and mags is cheap. it will just peel off.
now as far as how they shoot i don' t know. but i wouldnt consider selling any of mine now.

I wonder if remingtons employees have gotten to a rate of compensation that the famous gunmaker is lowering itself to cheap guns?
or maybe remingtons executives?
Maybe it' s the lawsuit pressure?
yes they are a big company but so was smith and wesson and the gun buyers kind of forced the owners to liquidate . i don' t know if quality has gone up for smiths cause i haven' t seen a new one in my frequented shops yet.

i know the shops i like to scope guns out in aren' t carrying remingtons!

I hope remington will realize that if they do not change they will be history!
they make many models that i would love to have but not at the price but if the quality was there i could probably could pinch for them.
there is always hope!

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Let them keep making this junk. At least I know when I graduate gunsmithing school there will be plenty of job security out there for me.:);) There is always someone out there that will buy it.

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It' s a real shame the way Remington has gone down hill like they have.The 597 and 710 are two examples of what Remington is all about today.A couple months ago when I was looking for a 17. They had the Remington 597' s in 17 HMR. I didn' t even take to the time to look at one of them with Remington' s reputation today.For a 22 semi auto the Ruger 10-22 is the way to go.
Ruger Redhawk

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I work at a gun store where we also do gunsmithing, so I see what kinda problems certain guns have. I do see the there semi auto rimfire rifles do have a lot of problems, and I feel that the 710 is absolute junk, but havent seen many problems with there bolt action rifles and there shotguns. (well, I know that the remingtons have poor trigger pull in there rifles and stick sometimes, but other than that, not too bad) I rarely see there shotguns in the shop. I have an 870 from the early 90' s and never needed it serviced. Just like with the tasco company, the low end products make a bad name for the company (believe it or not, the higher end tascos were excellent IMO) but there cheaper scopes run em outta business....Luckily Bushnelle picked ' em up.

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Oh yea, you must not work at Scotts. I was in there the other day and they said totally different.

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Man what an interesting read.

I have a Rem Woodsmaster 742 semi-auto .308 that is 31 years old (inherited from my father). After years of hunting it still looks brand new, it still fires with great accuracy and I really do consider it a fine piece of hardware.

There will come a time when I will need to buy a 10 or 12 ga shotgun (because centrefire rifles aren' t allowed in Southern Ontario) and I probably would have gravitated towards Remington just due to the excellence of my .308. It is through fourms like this where I learn many things about hunting and firearms and I appreciate all comments made by you.:)

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I guess i' ve been lucky, i own two model 700' s one about 10 yrs old and one that 1bout 2 yrs old. Both are very accurate and are made great, have several friends with new 700' s also...none of these had any problems. Maybe we all just had real good luck...lol


I am a little partial too em though........hence the name!!!

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remington_nc, you mean none of them had the cheesy plastic trigger guard, cheap c-ring extractor, and cheap plastic stocks, and sledge hammer trigger pull.

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I can understand about the 710..I agree junk. And the semi' s...I wouldn' t own one. But I have 2 remington 700' s, both are fantastic rifles with sub moa accuacy. Never had a single problem with them. I also have 2 model 870' s, same for them. Great guns. I can understand not being happy with the " junk" (710' s and jammomatics), but I personally don' t see the higher end stuff as " junk" . Every one of my relatives and buddies except one, shoots rem rifles and have never had any problems. My one buddy that doesn' t ... he shoots Rugers...and they have the roughest bolt I' ve ever felt...not to mention horrible triggers out of the box. Does that qualify them as junk? Not really I don' t think, but I' d take my 700' s over them any day. My dad bought a 700 adl .270 this spring, and it shot super right out of the box (sub-moa) before he had the trigger done. I wouldn' t hesitate to buy another model 700, in fact that will probably be my next gun. I feel for you if you have had problems with any gun...I just can' t relate because I haven' t.
Anyhow, just my .02.

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Does the 597 have the metal or plastic magazine? If plastic, you probably got one of the bad ones. The new ones come with metal magazine and a few other internal improvements. Take it back and exchange it for a newer one. As far as Remington goes, I would not shoot another brand. I have 3 870' s, of which, I have never had one problem with. Yeah two of them have plastic trigger guards, but I prefer that. Makes the gun lighter, holds up better than the metal ones, and probably makes it easier for me to buy one (cheaper). If you are a serious target shooter or hunter, then don' t look at the 597' s or 710' s. Remington is hands down the best manufacturer for the money. By the way, my game baq or deer pole have never been empty because I was carrying a Remington in the field.

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Quote:
Remington is hands down the best manufacturer for the money.

Dude, just say no to the drugs. Cocaine can kill, and Mary Jane will make you stupid. Seriously get yourself in a program.

Are you a " serious target shooter" with factory 700' s? I mean, I got two 700' s that I replaced the barrels with kriegers and stocks, and triggers that I beleive are serious target guns, but never a stock one.

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BC, no I am not a target shooter! What I am saying is that in the field, I would not want another gun than my 870' s. I am sure that you have killed bigger bucks with your custom rifles. My stock 870 has killed 4 bucks in the last 4 years that scored 140-160, so I must be missing something. Then again, I am a hunter, not a target shooter.

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None had the plastic trigger guard...........All had trigger lightened up, but we do that anyway. All were very accurate with just the trigger work done. I' m not a target shooter but i would buy another 700 in a min. The 597, don' t know never even looked at em. I bought a ruger 10/22 about 4yrs ago and to be honest i am not that impressed, they have alot of after market barrels, stocks, triggers, but i dont use my 22 much anyway. I am with the other poster, i say Remington makes the best rifles ( right out of the box). To each is own, some people like Savage,Browning,Winchester,Weatherby,etc. That' s what makes this a great country you can buy whatever ya want! You dont see me telling people to lay off the drugs just because they dont like the same brand i do. You can make any rifle accurate! Just keep buying em all, i hope all manufacturers stay in buisness that way we all have alot of different choices.

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I need to clarify my earlier statement that bashed Remington...I was only bashing their newer rifles. I wouldn' t own one...unless it was a 40X.

The shotguns that Rem is putting out are still quality in my eyes.

Isn' t it funny how they cheapened their rifles, but not their shotguns? Is there a different branch of the company for each weapon? Just wondering...........

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remington buddy, settle down. This is just the internet, I don' t know if the boy is on drugs or just hasn' t been around much. His statement seemed funny, almost illogical. So I made another funny about it. How many different brands do you have exposure too? If you want, I can sell you a 597 real cheap, so you can keep having remingtons.

Ruben, mostly talking about rifles here. Also got 870' s.

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don' t get remington, get browning. best gun money can buy. check out their 22s

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BC, trust me i am calm. I just dont understand why everyone wants to tell someone else that there favorite brand is crap while another is the best. I dont want a 597 but if i had it to do over again i wouldnt get the ruger. Oh yeah by the way i and millions of others will continue to buy Remington' s.

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I grew up duck and dove hunting with an 870. It was a nice shotgun, but I sold it many years ago. My last Remington purchase was a 700 chambered in 7mm Rem Mag. It never was a very good shooter until I pillar bedded the action and replaced the trigger. I have had problems with it not wanting to extract fired cases. Overall, I' ve been less than pleased with it, but I' ll probably keep it as a backup.

Those who say that Remington makes the finest guns simply don' t have much (if any) experience with other brands. Of course, some of the finer guns cost considerably more, but even in the Remington price range I think there are better options. I' m just not impressed with anything Remington currently makes and probably won' t buy another unless things change for the better.

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