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True, but the more information people has the better. Especially if these opinions are from people that has tried out different brands, found flaws, and reported them. Some peoples opinions are just from an emotional standpoint. Or has never had much experience with other brands. About a decade ago, I loved Remington. I would get emotional about any bashing. Then I made the mistake of shooting with other people and seeing what they got. Then I got to love certain things about other rifles. I liked the winchester extractors and safeties, liked the brownings accuracy, liked some with very nice stocks. Then I started looking at my own collection of 700' s. As all things, I wanted these fancy things. Then started seeing flaws in my own rifles that has served me well.

So the moral of this story is " ignorance is bliss" . Don' t shoot with other people. In fact it would be best on your wallet if you never even looked at pages like this. Then you will go home and be happy with what you got. Still wouldn' t be happy with that POS 597.

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Hay Bigcountry I thought I was the only one out there that got them self in trouble on this sight. You know like the long range shooting thread I started. I have to stick up for you these guys seem to be ganging up on you. It is the new Remingtons that keep me busy between custom rifles jobs. I do wish Remington would increase their quality for the past few years it has not been what it should be and I can only work so fast. If their new guns go down hill any more I will have to hire someone. For the most part I am with you on this. Most people I know would rather pay alittle more and get a good product then save a few bucks and get problems. Remington seems to forget this and also seems to be of the opinion that tha American and Canadian hunters will not notice the difference in quality, I think they are wrong. If they want to cut costs and make more money maby they should get rid of the big wigs who made the decision to cheepen the quality of their guns.

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I guess i' ll just keep taking my ignorant self down to the store and buy Remington' s. I have just as much exposure to other brands as everyone else, why?
Cause i set alot of rifles every year, Weatherby, Browning, Savage and Winchester.Never dealt with Sako ,Tikka, Kimber,Lazzeroni' s or any other brands.


I' ll keep my very accurate Sendero, because it out shoots all the rest i have shot.

If ya don' t like em don' t buy em! ..................leaves more for me and the rest of us truely ignorant people, like the U.S.M.C. snipers.

" Ignorance is bliss " .................................................. ..!

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Soark, Thanks for your words of wisdom.That' s probably one of the truest statements you' ve ever made. LOL.The older Remington' s are nice rifles. The newer ones (710 & 597) wouldn' t make good boat anchors.I' ve had a few 700' s and never had a problem out of them.
Ruger Redhawk

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I' m not " qualified" to make any sort of lifelong comparisons of various firearms as I am just not as versed in the art of rifles and riflemaking as most of you guys.........(heck I usually never have a tag left for rifle season after bow season ends!;))
Anyway I went on a little bit of a rifle researching mission prior to my recent purchase of a Bolt Action rifle, and handled many guns and talked to quite a few people along the way about various manufacturers........Anyway ever since they came out I have always been fond of the Remington 700 Mountain Rifle(just something about it always made me want one), and going in I thought that was the rifle I wanted. That was until I actually played with a new one a few weeks ago. When I handed it back I said to myself that gun is HOW MUCH!? It was the model i dismissed as a possible the quickest after simply handling it. The Bolt felt like crap, the wood was blah, the safety felt like a piece of crap with about 1/8" of side to side play, and the gun just overall felt, for lack of a better word " Cheesy" . I didn' t even bother to look at the BDL' s etc just based on that one model. I was actually genuinely disappointed.
The Savage 16FSS with its synthetic stock at about $200 less felt more quality to me in my untrained hands........The 2 that felt the best to me were the Browning A-Bolt and the Ruger 77, they just felt like MORE gun for the money and I couldn' t help but wonder why someone would choose that Mountain Rifle.....brand loyalty?, looks?, who knows but I was not impressed at all. Even that new 700 Mountain Rifle SS with the laminated stock didn' t compare to the $150 cheaper Ruger 77 laminated stainless model (RBZ I think?).

If I knew absolutely NOTHING about rifles (I know a little[:-])Of all the models I tried if I were to line them up how I figured they should rank by feel,and impression of quality, I would have said the Remington was the cheapest of the bunch. I guess that says something? Not sure what exactly but I typed all this so it has to mean something right?:D

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Hmm, can' t really call that a stock Remington. It is a Remington action. Besides, the government always goes with the lowest bidder. I know, I work for them.

I have a few older Remingtons that I like and have had no problems with. I don' t like what has happened to their quality control however.

As far as the 597 goes, you can' t polish a turd.

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Now i didnt say big country in my post the dang site said in reply to big country cause i hit the reply at top.

Now big country has made some points but i would like to say that yes some folks have probably not had exposure to different guns like some. but i have had a chance to handle and shoot many different guns when i worked in a pawn shop.
some i liked some i didnt. but the real thing that gets me is the comments of remingtons lack of accuracy. maybe the new remingtons are like that but the many i have are not.
in my years dealing with guns in the shop i saw most all makes have some little problems. but honestly no one ever returned a remington . taurus and marlin were tops.
And bigcountry i used to take guns home and shoot them but i like my 700' s best. like some prefer a bolts or model 70' s or m77' s whatever floats there boat.
i think you can get a lemon from any manufacturer . and i will agree remington is producing a few lemons. i just hope they realize it before it' s to late.


ruger redhawk it' s a shame that i have to say something like that do get you to respond! what kind of cyber friend are you becoming? :D

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OK...a question for the experts out there. Exactly when did the remington quality go downhill? I' m mainly concerned with the model 700' s. (don' t care about the 710 or 597, they speak for themselves). I haven' t bought a new rifle in about 7 yrs :(, and the last one I got was a 700 VSSS...and it is absolutely fantastic. Is it just some that are having trouble(a few lemons), or the majority of them? Like I said in my earlier post, my dad just got a 700 adl this spring and it seems to be a fine rifle. Just curious...because I may get a new gun in the near future (I' d like a .260 mtn rifle). Thanks.

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One thing you must keep in mind about military stuff. It was built by the lowest bidder, and in the case with sniper rifles, then highly modified.

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When did they go downhill? Well, I have a 700 270win, with a smooth bore. Don' t copper foul bad at all, no real complaints. It was bought by me in 1986.

When I say quality, the main problem I have seen is rough barrels, large variations in throat lengths, and chambers there were very sloppy. It all started when I bought this 700 BDL SS in 270. I just never got this thing to to shoot well. 2" were the normal group at 100 yards. I didn' t have any gunsmithing to it. I just traded it ASAP. Then I picked up this 300RUM BDL SS. Shot horrible groups. But I was determined to get this thing shooting well. I had pillars installed, and trigger adjusted to 2lbs, and free floated the barrel. 200 dollars of smithing. Consistent groups with a variety of handloads, and even factory ammo was 1.2" or so. Should have kept this gun, but sold on gunbroker. But the barrel was so rough. Took me 2hours to get out the copper. Forgot a 700ADL in 300Win Mag, that the chamber was screwed up, and caused bulging near the belt. This shouldn' t be. Had it rechambered and it shoots well. Still have.

Then I get this PSS in 300RUM. Groups were good but loads was very finicky. Copper fouled bad. Only shot flatbases well, hated boattails. So checked the crown and recut. This was the problem with boattails. Looked thru with borescope and saw a horrible barrel. Gunsmith said, send it back to remington. I said screw that, I just won' t buy another. Especially after seeing him (RA Browns in
Westminter, MD) send back several to the custom shop and having to send back more than once to get right. So I rebarreled it with a Krieger. Finally I feel what good barrel should be like. I thought the barrel bore was too large cause it was so easy to push my dewey rod down with a jag. But according to my chrono, I build up pressure much faster with this barrel. I figured out, that barrels shouldnt be so difficult to clean. Can shoot 20 rounds and clean in 1/2 hour. And copper fouling doesn' t seem to affect accuracy.

Now I will admit, I have gotten very picky over the last 15 years. I don' t know, I expect more for 700 hard earned dollars than most people. I have tried them all, from Sakos to Winchesters to Brownings, and even one savage for a brief time. And who in the world could afford a Weatherby. I love the quality of this new Browning I got. No gunsmithing needed. Just take out of the box and fire. But still would like changes to it. It would be nice with a different safety like Winchester.

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I think their quality went downhill in the late 80' s prior to that I never had a problem with a 700 never ever. Since the late 80' s I have had about a 50 % percent success rate with them. We are talking stupid crap like safetys that don' t work right...chambering problems, feed problems none of this with any grade lower than BDL and it also happened with a custom shop gun that should never have left the custom shop.... stuff you don' t find out about until you shoot the darn gun(s). Last week I almost bought a 700 BDL in 300 SAUM but thought about it again and didn' t do it. This one appeared to be a well made gun , getting a little gun shy with them now . I personally think they make good guns and bad ones unfortunately I feel like a magnet with the bad ones. Bottom line is if you have one and it works keep it. If your in the market for a new one be wary of what your buying.

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Soark, Sorry ol' e cyber buddy.I' ve been spending allot of time on other sites and was out of town for a few days.I know whenever I find one of your topics or replies,I' m in for a laugh.You don' t speak with a forked tongue LOL..That' s my opinion but it has a rosy smell to it.
Ruger Redhawk

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Rose smelling charmin mr whiffle!:D

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HISTORY REPEATS. About 12 years ago Remington was selling the 522 Viper it was .22 lr , it was a semi/ clip fed plastic stock rifle. That yes because of brand name reputation I did purchase one. What a piece of junk!!!! When Remington put the 597 on the market you think they would have taken the (522) into cosideration and tried winning some cutomers back by taking what is a product with the lowest cost and highest sales .22, lr in general and designed a good rifle it would appear this it not the case. The company' s need to profit was placed before the need' s of the customer. Thus the story of the bean counter and big buisness.

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Since the 597 is the only .22 rifle I own at the present time, I haven' t thrown it in the garbage, YET!
One day, I' ll get a Marlin or Ruger, then I' ll probably wrap the 597 around a tree somewhere! I don' t think I could sell it to my worst enemy!
Anyway, I went out plinking this morning and I had forgotten just how sorry this piece of crap really is! Jammed first shot, and the trigger!!!!! Can it legally even be called a trigger? A guy could dislocate his trigger finger trying to fire that thing!
The 597' s not even good for practicing with!

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Jagman, I tryed the Stinger ammo thru it. That extra power seems to make the 597 less prone to jam. Still jammed, but not near as badly as with remington ammo.

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Not to open up another can of worms.I' ve heard of allot of complaints with the Remington 700ML.I' ve heard they' re notorious for misfires.I was going to buy one a couple years ago and a good friend talked me out of it.I' m glad now he did.
Ruger Redhawk

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I' ve got a 700ML and it' s OK with the 209 kit. However I must say it really has a lot of blowback.

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Bigcountry, I' ve also noticed that if you don' t fully load the magazine, you don' t get as many jams. Still you could not give me another 597, and judging Remington' s quality by the 597 or 710, I' ll never own another Rimington!

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my neighbor across the road bought his son a remington 30--06 semi auto. he shot a few times it just jammed again again again.peace of junk. get a browning

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In these modern times Remington is adding a new challange to hunting. What a rush, think of it,???? The cape buff or Grizz comes at you, you raise your rifle, take aim, (If you are not using a semi) kick the safety off and go for the trigger, will it fire and hit where you want??? what a challange!!!!!! Not for me, no thanks!!!!!!

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I have had about 25 Remmington rifles. I have never had a problem with a 700 old or new. I did have the bolt handle come out of a couple of 788 ifles. I have a new 700 ADL 22-250 and a new 700 ADL 257 Roberts. They are flawless. I have had three Rem pumps and all worked very well and were very accuarate. I have had Rem pump 22 rifles that worked well and the first gun I ever bought myself was a Rem Nylon 66 that was the only 22 I ever had that worked as well and as long as the 10-22 which can,t be beat at any price. Ruger centerfire rifles just don,t seem to fit me. I have tried them again and again. SLOW LEARNER.

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Just bought my first remington ever. (Have been a Sako fan.)
Model 700 Titanium in 7mm S.A.U.M.
Anyone else shoot one of these, I'd be interested to know it's foibles, best loads, any adjustments needed, what you scoped it with etc.
Cheers

NB: haven't fired it yet. Looking forward to it.

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I have bought my last remington. I had the famous 7400 jamomatic ,and now the soon to be someone elses 597 .22mag. What is wrong with there p&r department. It use to be a name you could trust and now its the name you laugh at. I am going to only but Ruger from now on !!!!!

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I had a 597- was the last Remington I'll probably ever own. If I want another big game rifle, I'll by a CZ or Sako. For shotguns, I'll buy a Browning or Ruger.

The 710- what a joke. Remington used to make a nice little entry level rifle called the 788. It was a plug ugly rifle that was affordable but really performed well, in fact it was a better performer than their 700 series rifles for the short cartridges it was chambered in. Remington dropped the rifle and no longer makes it. Now they make a turd called the 710 which is far uglier than the 788, and has almost no redeeming qualities to it, other than it comes in a package with a cheapo scope [:@] I'm betting that in 20 years the 710 won't be highly sought after like the 788's are today. Once again, I don't need a bargain rifle, but I hate for beginning shooters with little expendable cash to buy a piece of crap that will give them nothing but problems.

870- I've heard reports about the made-in-china slide rails breaking. 870's have had the reputation of being unbreakable shotguns, seems like no reputaion is untouchable at the new Remington.:(

Remington 700's- I have a 700 ADl made in the late 60's/early 70's that I get alot of comments on when I take it to the range. It has nicely figured wood, and a nice finish on it. I'm often asked if its a custom rifle, and I just have to sigh and reply "nope, this is a lowly Remington ADL- this is how they made rifles 30 years ago"

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I just want you folks to know that i am the ----------> ONLY <---------- person in America to own a 579 that has NEVER jammed!!! True story, my 597M has not jammed even one time since i bought it new a few years ago.

They may be junk?, but mine shoots very good, with an acceptable trigger and i'm happy with it!! I have more guns than any one human being ought to own, so i'm not just in love with this 597, it is all i've said it is!

NO ONE has mentioned the TC 22 semi auto, how are those?????? I have a 10/22 but i just hate the way it sits in your hand like a "beached whale"!!!!

BTW, when i want to shoot a quality 22 or 22 mag, i slide one of my "Krieghoff insert barrels" into the right shot bbl of my drilling and have target quality right then!

Drilling Man

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Yep there is something to the old Remington 700's a very good friend bought a late 60's early 70's or so 700 chambered in 6mm rem. It will only shoot 1" groups at 200 yards with remington factory ammo. It sure looks and feels better then the new stuff although other then the ISS I won't complain about the new 700's.

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big country,the real word is about making bad buying decisons.there are always lemons in everything.i hate the youngster had to be the victim.there iis no doubt that the ruger 10/22 is probably one of the most reliabie .22 autos around as are there others.i have read a lot of bad press on the rem 597 .22,but i have never owned one.i did however,get the 597 magnum model in .17 hmr.i have shot 150 rounds of the cci hp and 150 rounds of the hornady bt and had no malfunctions at all.as long as the clip is bumped into place each time it is loaded,it worked without a hitch and is very accurate.i may be sick later,but am very happy with mine.

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Bet he won't make that mistake again! My friend's 597 doesnt work worth a ****ed either.

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I can't figure out why Remington is not keeping up on the quality. Funny how Savage is making great strides in improving the image. And Remington is giving up. I bet they still have about 3 years left before the image is tarnished enough for them to start back on the quality train. I can't understand why a company that has been known for it's quality would allow this.

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I'm sorry to hear these things. You would think a company with such a huge name would start putting out a little quality in their products.

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How many times have you heard or seen a Rem 700 that accidentally discharged when the safety was moved to "fire" but the trigger was not touched. I know several Police Depts that have refitted all their SWAT rifles with aftermarket triggers and worked on them because of that little problem.

Rem will not admit it, but they have a quality control problem that will jump up and bite them sooner or later.

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It will bite them later. Those stupid integrated locking devices are a lawyers idea of making a bad gun safe. Ultimatley it's still up to the individual to maintain a safe attitude when it comes to firearms. There is no replacment for that. And as if triggers aren't bad enough, I have seen there "soldered" on bolts literaly coming off in the hands of shooters! How would you like that when your staring down a charging 1000 lb brown with the intent on making you a memory!:(

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Like i said above, my 597M has "never" jammed! Not even once. I think i'll put it on EBAY and get "rich", as i have the only one that doesn't jam!!! :>)

You guys that complain about the 597's jamming, how accurate are they???

Mine shoots more than acceptable for my needs. I've shot quite a few pest around the farm with it, and keeps on doing it's job without complaint!

Drilling Man

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I bought an 870 riot gun last year, and I'm underwhelmed by the quality. I thought I would be OK at least with the ol' 870!