Long Range advice??
12-19-2008, 09:46 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
RE: Long Range advice??
Learn how to improve your skills at spotting and stocking closers without detection where you don't put yourself into that position of "long range" shot is the better choice of time well spent for ethical hunters.
12-20-2008, 02:27 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 2,862
RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: RugerMike
Unbelievable?
If you can't get closer to game than 500yards?
Change your stalking tactics?
Just my opinion?
Now if your target shooting ONLY, then that is a different story,HOWEVER some think that just because their target rifle with group at 500,600,700, ... They can take game in adverse conditions the same way? NOT!
Get real it ain't going to happen, PERIOD!!!
Your just going to miss or worst yet, wound game animals.
Please reconsider your options?!?
Unbelievable?
If you can't get closer to game than 500yards?
Change your stalking tactics?
Just my opinion?
Now if your target shooting ONLY, then that is a different story,HOWEVER some think that just because their target rifle with group at 500,600,700, ... They can take game in adverse conditions the same way? NOT!
Get real it ain't going to happen, PERIOD!!!
Your just going to miss or worst yet, wound game animals.
Please reconsider your options?!?
You've never been to the plains in SD, you can see deer for 2 miles in WIDE OPEN territory here.... I shot my rifle deer this year at 516 yards with my 7mm Rem Mag. There is no stalking unless you can sneak on a fully alert deer in FLAT ground with no cover and snow....
Then again, I shoot more at 300+ yards preparing for season than most guys spend sighting in their rifles. I have no objection to shooting past 500 yards, becuase I know when I squeeze off a round its a dead critter at the end of my barrel.
12-20-2008, 06:20 AM
#23
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Eastern PA
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RE: Long Range advice??
Rammer, I know exactly what you're talking about. Sometimes you just can't get close. And I will still stick by by guns and say that no one should attempt any shot they are not comfortable with.I too practice at 300 and sometimes 400 yds. Especially on a year when I will be going on a western hunt. The open prarie county can make stalking difficult at times and it seems like the wind is always blowing. And its my opinion that the wind is a much more difficult aspect to overcome than holdover.
For those of you that want a good read on the effects of wind. Check this site out. http://www.6mmbr.com/Winddrift.html
For those of you that want a good read on the effects of wind. Check this site out. http://www.6mmbr.com/Winddrift.html
12-20-2008, 08:16 AM
#24
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2007
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RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
What????
We are talking about long range shooting here. Your talking about hitting another person??? Goodness gracious, what has this page turned into.
ORIGINAL: CarpetBagger
Number one thing is you have to take alot of things into account shooting long range. Altitude, cross winds, hold over, ect...
With my 270 I have it sighted in at 2" High at 100...You basically just square up on the animal and pull the trigger out to almost300yrds which is an oddity of a shot in the woods here in western PA. I have shot a few Doe out to almost 200 across a field, but 300yrds is a hell of a longshot.
1st thing to do probaly would be to banish that simmons scope from your gun and get yourself a quality set of optics if you want to shoot 500yrds.
Practice...just a thought...Ive never shot 500yrds nor wanted to. We had a 19 year old kid here take a shot at a deer here about a week ago he missed and it hit another hunter in the head killing him.....not a very smart idea no deer alive is worth another human beings life. IF YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING THE SHOT WITH THE CONFIDENCE TO PROVIDE A FAST CLEAN KILL TO THE ANIMAL YOU ARE HUNTING....DO NOT SHOOT!
Number one thing is you have to take alot of things into account shooting long range. Altitude, cross winds, hold over, ect...
With my 270 I have it sighted in at 2" High at 100...You basically just square up on the animal and pull the trigger out to almost300yrds which is an oddity of a shot in the woods here in western PA. I have shot a few Doe out to almost 200 across a field, but 300yrds is a hell of a longshot.
1st thing to do probaly would be to banish that simmons scope from your gun and get yourself a quality set of optics if you want to shoot 500yrds.
Practice...just a thought...Ive never shot 500yrds nor wanted to. We had a 19 year old kid here take a shot at a deer here about a week ago he missed and it hit another hunter in the head killing him.....not a very smart idea no deer alive is worth another human beings life. IF YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING THE SHOT WITH THE CONFIDENCE TO PROVIDE A FAST CLEAN KILL TO THE ANIMAL YOU ARE HUNTING....DO NOT SHOOT!
We are talking about long range shooting here. Your talking about hitting another person??? Goodness gracious, what has this page turned into.
I dont knock long range hunting, i just think like all the other ethical BS that goes on here it has its place and situations.
12-20-2008, 10:34 AM
#26
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: bronko22000
I never said I couldn't 'do it' as you put it Mr. Spaniel. In fact I have. And if you read my first post in its entirety you would have seen that I said you should get closer and without practice no one should attempt a shot over 300 yds, especially with any wind. That mulie in my previous post was taken with a single shot from my 270 at a ranged 437 yds. I've also taken whitetails and antelope out to 375 yds.
You misinterpreted my post. And to repeat - no one should ever take shots they have not practiced on at game no matter what the cost of the hunt or how big the animal. We have enough pressure from the anti hunting community as it is. And to take a shot where the chance of wounding and not recovering an animal exceeds the chance for a humane kill then the shot should not be taken. But this decision can only be made by the person whose finger is on the trigger.
I never said I couldn't 'do it' as you put it Mr. Spaniel. In fact I have. And if you read my first post in its entirety you would have seen that I said you should get closer and without practice no one should attempt a shot over 300 yds, especially with any wind. That mulie in my previous post was taken with a single shot from my 270 at a ranged 437 yds. I've also taken whitetails and antelope out to 375 yds.
You misinterpreted my post. And to repeat - no one should ever take shots they have not practiced on at game no matter what the cost of the hunt or how big the animal. We have enough pressure from the anti hunting community as it is. And to take a shot where the chance of wounding and not recovering an animal exceeds the chance for a humane kill then the shot should not be taken. But this decision can only be made by the person whose finger is on the trigger.
12-20-2008, 10:39 AM
#27
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
spaniel, get a new spotter, if he couldn't see the impacts something is wrong, the deer I shot last week was 1,350 yards and I watched the impact through the scope.
RR
spaniel, get a new spotter, if he couldn't see the impacts something is wrong, the deer I shot last week was 1,350 yards and I watched the impact through the scope.
RR
12-20-2008, 10:47 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: MinnFinn
Learn how to improve your skills at spotting and stocking closers without detection where you don't put yourself into that position of "long range" shot is the better choice of time well spent for ethical hunters.
Learn how to improve your skills at spotting and stocking closers without detection where you don't put yourself into that position of "long range" shot is the better choice of time well spent for ethical hunters.
There are some who purposely go out and try to set up 1000 yard shots. I'm not discussing that scenario, but the scenario of finding yourself in a position where you can't get closer and being comfortable at what some would consider long range. You and others are making the unfounded conclusion that those who take a long shot lack the ability to stalk. There is no basis for that. Some situations don't allow for a stalk...like a bull elk up on top of a wide-open mountain where a stalk would be a 2-3 mile circle, 2-3 hour affair and he's not going to stay there that long. That isn't a skill issue.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but just because all you practice is your local 100 yd range and you can't imagine shooting over 300 yards don't get surprised when someone who regularly shoots to 800 yards isn't receptive to you questioning their 500 yard shots, hunting ability, and ethics.
12-20-2008, 12:43 PM
#29
Typical Buck
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RE: Long Range advice??
ORIGINAL: spaniel
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but just because all you practice is your local 100 yd range and you can't imagine shooting over 300 yards don't get surprised when someone who regularly shoots to 800 yards isn't receptive to you questioning their 500 yard shots, hunting ability, and ethics.
ORIGINAL: MinnFinn
Learn how to improve your skills at spotting and stocking closers without detection where you don't put yourself into that position of "long range" shot is the better choice of time well spent for ethical hunters.
Learn how to improve your skills at spotting and stocking closers without detection where you don't put yourself into that position of "long range" shot is the better choice of time well spent for ethical hunters.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but just because all you practice is your local 100 yd range and you can't imagine shooting over 300 yards don't get surprised when someone who regularly shoots to 800 yards isn't receptive to you questioning their 500 yard shots, hunting ability, and ethics.
I never said I only shot or practiced at 100yards. I actually shoot at shorter yardages as well with my bow and 22 pistols. Oh that's right I squirrel hunt ONLY with a 22 pistol.
Sorry that is under your 500 yard range as well.[&o][&o]
Sometimes, maybe instead of running your mouth, you might want to take in some knowledge, you don't have?
Just a thought?
[
]Oh by the way that was personal[8D]
12-23-2008, 11:48 AM
#30
Fork Horn
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RE: Long Range advice??
My reason for posting this question wasn't because I couldn't get closer to the animals. I am perfectly capable(sp) of getting within range most of the time. In fact the past few weeks I've gotten within 20 yards of countless does and a few bucks that I passed while archery hunting, closest one was probably 8 yards laying in a fencline and stalked into the wind right up to him, but he took off right from his bed before I could get him to stand.
It's the challenge, that and like Rammer and Bronco have stated, if the situation ever arrose where for some reason you can't get closer (deer's standing out in the the middle of a stubble field or something) I would rather be prepared. I'm just interested in long range shooting, if you're not then what are you doin reading the post other than to start an argument????
Thanks everyone for the advice!
It's the challenge, that and like Rammer and Bronco have stated, if the situation ever arrose where for some reason you can't get closer (deer's standing out in the the middle of a stubble field or something) I would rather be prepared. I'm just interested in long range shooting, if you're not then what are you doin reading the post other than to start an argument????
Thanks everyone for the advice!
