your gonna have to post without pictures. for some reason, i dont see any words in your post when youthrow pictures like that up onto my screen

I have seen a lot of threads hijacked over the years. I think I have finally found the proper way to do it. Tom.

No fair, my Remingtons didn't come with a fine lookin gal!

To whom are you asking these questions?

Thanks Loony..I stand corrected. It was just something I was warned against when I started and I always seat to what the mag length will hold in the short actions and variably closer on the long actions. If I had one knock on my Remmy's it wouldbe the mag length in the short actions.

Button vs Hammer forgedFACTORY barrels as far as accuracy goes not sure if there is any difference. There is no custom rifle manufacturer that uses them. Probably because of cost of machineryvs volume. The poster in question claimed that Savage hand lapped their barrels when that is a false statement. He also claimed that when they are fitting barrels to an action that they use factory ammo or an ammo mockupand theymake sure the bullets touch the rifling when installing the barrel and checking for headspace. That is also a false statement and pure unadulterated hogwash.


I am not going to go into the explanation of hammer forging because I explained it on a previous post.



What's wrong with that procedure ? Remington probablyhas thousands of bolts laying around its not like a gunsmith who may have a few complete actions laying around waiting to be rebarrelled.

We all could really benefit from your wisdom here Old Elk. I for one would love for you to explain the difference between Hammer Forged and button rifled again in more detail to us unwashed beginners. Me thinks you got your signals crossed a bit on this one.

Ridge, there is an additional type of rifling called Mandrel Rifling. It consist of placing a very hard mandrel in the barrel and then forging the barrel around the mandrel which pounds the barrel down against the mandrel leaving a rifling impression. It has been abandoned due to excessive stresses being left in the barrel which result in the barrel walking with each shot as it heats up and very rounded transitions from the lands to the grooves. I think there is also an electronic type of rifling out there that erodes the metal instead of cutting it. At anyrateI do not know of any manufacturer that actually uses either. I would elaborate your point about the Hart barrels and point out that the majority of match winning barrels are hammer forged and then button rifled. The idea that button rifling is inferior toother methods completely contradictsactual match results.

How so Scottie, what don't you understand and I will attempt to clarify it for you?

never said it was wrong did I?

No you sort of insinuated it

I do know that a ruger worker soon after retirement made it known that 6 months after ruger purchased 4 hammer mills, the company had an investment of $4.25 in each barrel.

Lets see now. One of those machines cost in the hundreds of thousands. Ruger is based out of NH and pays a decent wage and divide that by the number of barrels they make each year then I guess you can say 4.25 or anything you want because neither you nor I know that the real freaking price is. If you know anything about steel prices a bar of CM in that length is double that price but if you insist on arguing.


as far as custom makers not using button rifled barrels, about any custom smith will use a hart barrel if you request it, they are buttoned rifled,button rifled barrels are faster than cut rifleing and run under less pressure with the same load, and not much difference in accuracy.
RR

RR you really need to read my posts a whole lot better . No one said anything about barrels that custom smiths prefer. We have been discussing Savage rifles with their button rifled barrels which are on a different planet then most custom button rifled barrels.Why you keep bringing in Hart barrels into this conversation is beyond me. Does hart build barrels now for Savage if not then keep up with the posts.