Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
05-09-2008 | 09:17 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
I had mine own thoughts on the weapon/rifle is only a tool.....
at what point does steal, and metal, and springs etc....become a rifle? so at what point is it just metal vs a rifle? at what point does it become illegal? IMO its kind of dumb that we can make something illegal like that.....make the crime/act illegal, not the choice of weapon etc....
As far as assault weapon asked earlier.....I'm quite certain that its not only full auto rifles.....its semi auto, and I know some or most hunting rifles would qualify, the semi auto versions that is, sure fully auto would qualify but they were talking about semi autos too.
at what point does steal, and metal, and springs etc....become a rifle? so at what point is it just metal vs a rifle? at what point does it become illegal? IMO its kind of dumb that we can make something illegal like that.....make the crime/act illegal, not the choice of weapon etc....
As far as assault weapon asked earlier.....I'm quite certain that its not only full auto rifles.....its semi auto, and I know some or most hunting rifles would qualify, the semi auto versions that is, sure fully auto would qualify but they were talking about semi autos too.
05-09-2008 | 09:43 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
assault rifles don't cause most of themurders here in chicago, but rather pistols......
I blame the poeple who misused the objects, but that's just me (and most of the people outside of Chicago).
05-09-2008 | 09:50 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
ORIGINAL: salukipv1
Just heard onthe news a police chief or someone along those lines state that assault rifles don't cause most of themurders here in chicago, but rather pistols......
Just heard onthe news a police chief or someone along those lines state that assault rifles don't cause most of themurders here in chicago, but rather pistols......
I have yet to see a rifle or a handgun that has committed a murder or robbery!
There is a lot less crime where there are MORE armed citizens!!
05-09-2008 | 09:52 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
ORIGINAL: salukipv1
Utah now considers a bow a dangerous weapon or something like that and wont allow felons to bowhunt.....is anyone really gonna use a bow to commit a crime?
Utah now considers a bow a dangerous weapon or something like that and wont allow felons to bowhunt.....is anyone really gonna use a bow to commit a crime?
05-10-2008 | 08:09 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
Every gun out there was once a state of the art military people killer even your BP muzzle loader.Don't let them even villianize one gun brand or type.Non-criminals don't break the law and pose zero risk.The Govt. knows this but use incidents to fulfill their agenda of total gun banning.Never mind the facts ,they have other plans for you.You can stick together or fight amongst yourselves and lose it all.Blunt but I feel accurate.No offence intended.......................Harold
05-11-2008 | 02:21 PM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
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The Govt. knows this but use incidents to fulfill their agenda of total gun banning.Never mind the facts ,they have other plans for you.You can stick together or fight amongst yourselves and lose it all.Blunt but I feel accurate.No offence intended.......................Harold
The Govt. knows this but use incidents to fulfill their agenda of total gun banning.Never mind the facts ,they have other plans for you.You can stick together or fight amongst yourselves and lose it all.Blunt but I feel accurate.No offence intended.......................Harold
I can't understand how they can be so gullible to buy the line that if we give them the black guns and hand guns, they'd leave us in peace!
I'm not talking about changing the Anti's or winning over the neutral people! We've got to educate some of our own folks!
05-27-2008 | 04:08 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
Greetings from Down Under, this post is a bit off the subject, but at the same time I believe somewhat relevent.
Speaking of firearms and people wanting to take them away from responible citizens, I thought i'd give you American lads a bit of info on what has happened in my country in regards to firearms laws, maybe inspiring even more of you to fight for your freedoms and right to bear arms.
To own a firearm in Australia, you must first have a legitimate reason for owning a firearm (self defence is not a legitimate reason inAustralia, and if you do use your firearm for self defence, you will be chargedwith a minimum ofmanslaughter), pass an exam, sit a safety test, then go through a lengthy application processjust to be able to hold acategory A and B licence: Category Aweapons consist of - Airguns (no, yournot suffering from dyslexia, you need a gun licence to own an air rifle), rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pumpor semi-automatic) and muzzle loading shotguns.
Category B weapons consist of - Muzzle loading firearms, centre fire rifles (not automatic or semi-automatic) and any combination of of shotgun and centre fire rifle. All semi-automatic centre fire and rim fire rifles, pump action and semi-automatic shotguns require a C, D or E category licence depending on magazine capacity and are virtually unattainable by anyone.
As for handguns, you mustbelong to a registered pistol club, attend regular meetings and shoots and are not allowed to own a handgun for the first year of your licence. When you can finally buy a handgun, you are restricted to a firearm that is no greater than .38 calibre (exceptions made for those shooting in Single Action events) and if semi-automatic you are limited to a magazine with a capacity of no greater than 10 rounds. All firearms must be kept in safes, with ammunition stored ina seperate safe and can and will be expected by police at any time.I know I have waffled on a bit, and this in no way has any bearing on your country, but we too used to be a proud country of firearm owners, with a rich history of hunting and living off the land. Then those hippie left wing bastardswentand tookthat away from us and we'll never get it back. Don't let it happen to you.....................Oh, all these restrictions were in aid of cutting down on firearms related killings, and guess what, these restrictions haven't made abloody bit ofdifference, in fact firearm related crime has increased.
Thanks for your time and patience. Cheers, happy hunting.
Speaking of firearms and people wanting to take them away from responible citizens, I thought i'd give you American lads a bit of info on what has happened in my country in regards to firearms laws, maybe inspiring even more of you to fight for your freedoms and right to bear arms.
To own a firearm in Australia, you must first have a legitimate reason for owning a firearm (self defence is not a legitimate reason inAustralia, and if you do use your firearm for self defence, you will be chargedwith a minimum ofmanslaughter), pass an exam, sit a safety test, then go through a lengthy application processjust to be able to hold acategory A and B licence: Category Aweapons consist of - Airguns (no, yournot suffering from dyslexia, you need a gun licence to own an air rifle), rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pumpor semi-automatic) and muzzle loading shotguns.
Category B weapons consist of - Muzzle loading firearms, centre fire rifles (not automatic or semi-automatic) and any combination of of shotgun and centre fire rifle. All semi-automatic centre fire and rim fire rifles, pump action and semi-automatic shotguns require a C, D or E category licence depending on magazine capacity and are virtually unattainable by anyone.
As for handguns, you mustbelong to a registered pistol club, attend regular meetings and shoots and are not allowed to own a handgun for the first year of your licence. When you can finally buy a handgun, you are restricted to a firearm that is no greater than .38 calibre (exceptions made for those shooting in Single Action events) and if semi-automatic you are limited to a magazine with a capacity of no greater than 10 rounds. All firearms must be kept in safes, with ammunition stored ina seperate safe and can and will be expected by police at any time.I know I have waffled on a bit, and this in no way has any bearing on your country, but we too used to be a proud country of firearm owners, with a rich history of hunting and living off the land. Then those hippie left wing bastardswentand tookthat away from us and we'll never get it back. Don't let it happen to you.....................Oh, all these restrictions were in aid of cutting down on firearms related killings, and guess what, these restrictions haven't made abloody bit ofdifference, in fact firearm related crime has increased.
Thanks for your time and patience. Cheers, happy hunting.
05-27-2008 | 05:22 AM
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RE: Chicago Violence, blame handguns not assault rifles...
ORIGINAL: Tezza
Greetings from Down Under, this post is a bit off the subject, but at the same time I believe somewhat relevent.
Speaking of firearms and people wanting to take them away from responible citizens, I thought i'd give you American lads a bit of info on what has happened in my country in regards to firearms laws, maybe inspiring even more of you to fight for your freedoms and right to bear arms.
To own a firearm in Australia, you must first have a legitimate reason for owning a firearm (self defence is not a legitimate reason inAustralia, and if you do use your firearm for self defence, you will be chargedwith a minimum ofmanslaughter), pass an exam, sit a safety test, then go through a lengthy application processjust to be able to hold acategory A and B licence: Category Aweapons consist of - Airguns (no, yournot suffering from dyslexia, you need a gun licence to own an air rifle), rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pumpor semi-automatic) and muzzle loading shotguns.
Category B weapons consist of - Muzzle loading firearms, centre fire rifles (not automatic or semi-automatic) and any combination of of shotgun and centre fire rifle. All semi-automatic centre fire and rim fire rifles, pump action and semi-automatic shotguns require a C, D or E category licence depending on magazine capacity and are virtually unattainable by anyone.
As for handguns, you mustbelong to a registered pistol club, attend regular meetings and shoots and are not allowed to own a handgun for the first year of your licence. When you can finally buy a handgun, you are restricted to a firearm that is no greater than .38 calibre (exceptions made for those shooting in Single Action events) and if semi-automatic you are limited to a magazine with a capacity of no greater than 10 rounds. All firearms must be kept in safes, with ammunition stored ina seperate safe and can and will be expected by police at any time.I know I have waffled on a bit, and this in no way has any bearing on your country, but we too used to be a proud country of firearm owners, with a rich history of hunting and living off the land. Then those hippie left wing bastardswentand tookthat away from us and we'll never get it back. Don't let it happen to you.....................Oh, all these restrictions were in aid of cutting down on firearms related killings, and guess what, these restrictions haven't made abloody bit ofdifference, in fact firearm related crime has increased.
Thanks for your time and patience. Cheers, happy hunting.
Greetings from Down Under, this post is a bit off the subject, but at the same time I believe somewhat relevent.
Speaking of firearms and people wanting to take them away from responible citizens, I thought i'd give you American lads a bit of info on what has happened in my country in regards to firearms laws, maybe inspiring even more of you to fight for your freedoms and right to bear arms.
To own a firearm in Australia, you must first have a legitimate reason for owning a firearm (self defence is not a legitimate reason inAustralia, and if you do use your firearm for self defence, you will be chargedwith a minimum ofmanslaughter), pass an exam, sit a safety test, then go through a lengthy application processjust to be able to hold acategory A and B licence: Category Aweapons consist of - Airguns (no, yournot suffering from dyslexia, you need a gun licence to own an air rifle), rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pumpor semi-automatic) and muzzle loading shotguns.
Category B weapons consist of - Muzzle loading firearms, centre fire rifles (not automatic or semi-automatic) and any combination of of shotgun and centre fire rifle. All semi-automatic centre fire and rim fire rifles, pump action and semi-automatic shotguns require a C, D or E category licence depending on magazine capacity and are virtually unattainable by anyone.
As for handguns, you mustbelong to a registered pistol club, attend regular meetings and shoots and are not allowed to own a handgun for the first year of your licence. When you can finally buy a handgun, you are restricted to a firearm that is no greater than .38 calibre (exceptions made for those shooting in Single Action events) and if semi-automatic you are limited to a magazine with a capacity of no greater than 10 rounds. All firearms must be kept in safes, with ammunition stored ina seperate safe and can and will be expected by police at any time.I know I have waffled on a bit, and this in no way has any bearing on your country, but we too used to be a proud country of firearm owners, with a rich history of hunting and living off the land. Then those hippie left wing bastardswentand tookthat away from us and we'll never get it back. Don't let it happen to you.....................Oh, all these restrictions were in aid of cutting down on firearms related killings, and guess what, these restrictions haven't made abloody bit ofdifference, in fact firearm related crime has increased.
Thanks for your time and patience. Cheers, happy hunting.
