Good Night, Pachymyr, is crap! That's what my grandpa used to have on his gun!

I put one on my early 870 (Before the R-3) slug gun and it works really great.

Redneck Bill

I put one on my Ruger No. 1 .45/70 in which I was shooting a 400-grain bullet at 2270 FPS, with 58 foot-pounds of recoil. It sure helped take SOME of the bite out of it vs the Ruger factory pad (actually more of a hard rubber buttplate than a recoil pad). However, when shooting from a bench rest, I STILL have to loop the index finger of my left hand over the barrel to keep the gun from completely jumping off the sandbag! Maybe I should Magna-port it.....

They work and are worth the investment IMHO!!

FWIWI have more Pachmayr Decels installed then limbsavers so don't agree with they're junk statements. They also work and IME are more durable plushave some benefits over the limbsaver. Living in CanadaI wear a lot of fleece outer wear and the limbsaver grips it where as Pachmayr's do not. Also loading tight sabots,especially cold days,with my inlines I prefer the Decels. So when it comes to strictly hunting I actually prefer the Pachmayr Decel, for my usage. The Sims product is softer no doubt but that doesn't mean it is better to/for all.

I want some of that crack your smokin, you DID NOT get those kinda numbers out of a 45-70, you can throw any powder/primer combo at me you like, I don't think you got that kinda speed. That is riding on the heels of the 416 Rigby!

Huh? Man, there's no way the 45-70 can do that, heck, the 45-70 is just a big fat lumbering piece of lead, very effective, no doubt, but it in no way achieves that velocity!

Maybe you mistyped? You say you shoot a .416 Rigby pretty often, maybe that's what you meant? The 45-70 has that much recoil? I thought it had more like 40 lbs of recoil.

No mistype - for you nay-sayers, here's the load: 60 grainsRE 7,400 grain Barnes Original .458" semispitzer (BC .389),Remington cases, Fed 210 primers.

Now, if you don't believe a Ruger No. 1 .45/70 will break 2200 FPS comfortablywith this load, hey! It's any freeborn American citizen's right to form his/her own opinion. Even if it is wrong! (I don't know what you Canuck's rights are, if any!) But I like folks better when they bother to find out the facts for themselves before forming an unalterable viewpoint.

(BTW, if ANY you decide to try that load, work upto it gently from at least 20% below, and only using a sufficiently strong rifle - NO MARLINS PLEASE!!! I'd hate for any of you geniuses to lose your head........)

Not really! You must consider two major factors: The .416 Rigby (factory ammo) operates at around 35-40,000 PSI. It fires a smaller-diameter bullet than the .45/70, so presents a significantly smaller area for thegases to push against. If you load a .416 Rigby up to 50,000 CUP, like my .45/70 load, the Rigbywill achieve over 2500 FPS with the 400-grain bullet - maybe even 2600 if you use a slow enough powder.

I have no idea what the actual pressure of my load is. It does "iron out" the cases, but so far, the primer pockets HAVE REMAINED THE SAME SIZE. I have loaded a couple batches of cases five times, so the load is safe. But it sure does a number on your shoulder! No, this load is NOT for trapdoor Springfields or for Marlins either!

pachmyrs and limb savers are very similar to me. my limbsavers have developed fine rubber cracks. maybe too soft rubber? just pick one and get back to shooting. neither is as big improvement as getting a boss system or porting done to the barrel. to me adding weight is the most effect way to reduce recoil. i have a new england firearms 10 guage. they have the heavy steel bar stuck in the buttstock. very fun gun with mild recoil for its size!

i agree with the rifle weight. I always see people looking for the lightest weight rifle because they prefer to go light weight VS get into shape. Then they have the nerve to complain about the recoil! My rifle weighs just a little over 8lbs and over 9lbs with a scope.