The finest foreign military rifle?
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mtn. Hse. Alberta
Posts: 823
RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
My first thought was to say the Mauser model 98 action was a very popular action on which to build all sorts of military rifles. It has and is still an action to build many custom sporting rifles.
But perhaps this question is looking at a specific tool in the hands of a military man. Where handsome is as handsome does, in the mud and the blood.
Robin in Rocky
But perhaps this question is looking at a specific tool in the hands of a military man. Where handsome is as handsome does, in the mud and the blood.
Robin in Rocky
#12
RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
ORIGINAL: 48thguns
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
When US forces began arriving in Britain in preparation for the trans-channel invasion of Europe, the Brits (Sir Winston) challenged us to a speed-vs-accuracy rifle match - we used the M1, the Brits used the No.4 Enfield. The Brits won!!
It is true that the ORIGINAL M 38 6.5mm Arisaka is the STRONGEST bolt-action ever, as P.O. Ackley proved. However the 7.7mm follow-on action is not a pure Arisaka, and it is NOT as strong as the M38s that were made during peacetime. I challenge your assertion that the Arisaka is an "improvement" over the M98 Mauser!
#13
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
As far as a COMBAT BOLT-ACTION rifle is concerned, there is no doubt at all that the SMLE in its' various versions was the best BATTLE RIFLE. It is sufficiently accure, and will deliverRAPID, AIMED FIRE faster than any other bolt action ever issued by anybody. The 10-round magazine helps in that regard.
When US forces began arriving in Britain in preparation for the trans-channel invasion of Europe, the Brits (Sir Winston) challenged us to a speed-vs-accuracy rifle match - we used the M1, the Brits used the No.4 Enfield. The Brits won!!
It is true that the ORIGINAL M 38 6.5mm Arisaka is the STRONGEST bolt-action ever, as P.O. Ackley proved. However the 7.7mm follow-on action is not a pure Arisaka, and it is NOT as strong as the M38s that were made during peacetime. I challenge your assertion that the Arisaka is an "improvement" over the M98 Mauser!
ORIGINAL: 48thguns
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
When US forces began arriving in Britain in preparation for the trans-channel invasion of Europe, the Brits (Sir Winston) challenged us to a speed-vs-accuracy rifle match - we used the M1, the Brits used the No.4 Enfield. The Brits won!!
It is true that the ORIGINAL M 38 6.5mm Arisaka is the STRONGEST bolt-action ever, as P.O. Ackley proved. However the 7.7mm follow-on action is not a pure Arisaka, and it is NOT as strong as the M38s that were made during peacetime. I challenge your assertion that the Arisaka is an "improvement" over the M98 Mauser!
I started this thread to get members to look at other military rifles and glean someinformation from these wonderful old pieces of history. You posted exactly the history I was looking for.....great story. I own 2 MK4 No 1 Enfields a Savage and a Long Branch and they are in my hall of fame right along with my03, 03A3, Garands and many others.
Enjoyed the friendly bantering. I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Sako M38 Mosin Nagant or the Swede. Regards, Rick.
#15
RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
ORIGINAL: 48thguns
Hello El d. I did not use the word "improvement" in my original post.....I used the word "upgrade" and I'll stick to that. The Anti-Aircraft sights and monopod are upgrades as well as the simple bolt design, IMHO. I challenge your assertion that the Type 99's were not as strong as the M38.....it's the same action. Having said that, the "last ditch" specimens were made in desperation and other than a collector rifle, probably unfit for serious shooting. The ones made up to the end of 42 were still up to very high standards from what I've seen.
I started this thread to get members to look at other military rifles and glean someinformation from these wonderful old pieces of history. You posted exactly the history I was looking for.....great story. I own 2 MK4 No 1 Enfields a Savage and a Long Branch and they are in my hall of fame right along with my03, 03A3, Garands and many others.
Enjoyed the friendly bantering. I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Sako M38 Mosin Nagant or the Swede. Regards, Rick.
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
As far as a COMBAT BOLT-ACTION rifle is concerned, there is no doubt at all that the SMLE in its' various versions was the best BATTLE RIFLE. It is sufficiently accurate, and will deliverRAPID, AIMED FIRE faster than any other bolt action ever issued by anybody. The 10-round magazine helps in that regard.
When US forces began arriving in Britain in preparation for the trans-channel invasion of Europe, the Brits (Sir Winston) challenged us to a speed-vs-accuracy rifle match - we used the M1, the Brits used the No.4 Enfield. The Brits won!!
It is true that the ORIGINAL M 38 6.5mm Arisaka is the STRONGEST bolt-action ever, as P.O. Ackley proved. However the 7.7mm follow-on action is not a pure Arisaka, and it is NOT as strong as the M38s that were made during peacetime. I challenge your assertion that the Arisaka is an "improvement" over the M98 Mauser!
ORIGINAL: 48thguns
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
Who made the finest foreign military rifle? GB, Swiss, Austria, Japan, Germany, Russia, Spain, Finland and on and on.
My choice is the Japanese 7.7mm Arisaka with monopod and AA sights. This rifle was a upgraded K98 with features which no other country had even the slightest clue. It is said by many to be the strongest bolt action rifle ever made (including Jack O'Connor). The flip out wing AA sights were innovative and worked. My father was a B25 pilot in the SP during WWII and griped about ground fire all the time while on strafing missions. The caliber is nearly identical to the Springfield '06 and the field disassembly is very simple which facilitates cleaning and maintenance. The Arisaka type 99.
When US forces began arriving in Britain in preparation for the trans-channel invasion of Europe, the Brits (Sir Winston) challenged us to a speed-vs-accuracy rifle match - we used the M1, the Brits used the No.4 Enfield. The Brits won!!
It is true that the ORIGINAL M 38 6.5mm Arisaka is the STRONGEST bolt-action ever, as P.O. Ackley proved. However the 7.7mm follow-on action is not a pure Arisaka, and it is NOT as strong as the M38s that were made during peacetime. I challenge your assertion that the Arisaka is an "improvement" over the M98 Mauser!
I started this thread to get members to look at other military rifles and glean someinformation from these wonderful old pieces of history. You posted exactly the history I was looking for.....great story. I own 2 MK4 No 1 Enfields a Savage and a Long Branch and they are in my hall of fame right along with my03, 03A3, Garands and many others.
Enjoyed the friendly bantering. I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Sako M38 Mosin Nagant or the Swede. Regards, Rick.
I see (understandably) that no-one mentioned any French rifles either.....
#16
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: California
Posts: 896
RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
There is a story, that may be apocrophal, that in the1500's aPortugese ship sailed from Lisbon to Japan and stopped along the way in Africa, India andSouth EastAsiabefore reaching Japan. They supposedly left a couple of muskets at each of the countries they stopped in as well as Japan. A few years later the Poertugeserepeated the voyage and found that all the guns they had left in Africa, India and South East Asia were broken, rusted and totally unusable. However, when they got to Japan they found that not only were the two original firearms they left still in perfect working order, but the Japanesehad made 30 more of better quality than the ones given to them by the Portugese. True or not, the story illustrates an impression that for some reason, Japanese culture is very conducive to manufacturing high quality goods.Whether it is a Lexus or an Arisaka rifle, the mentality of making the best product possible seems to be very strong there.
Caldoc
Caldoc
#19
RE: The finest foreign military rifle?
For those of you who mentioned the Swiss K31:
ssshhhh!!!! (the more people that know about them, the fewer cheap ones I'm going to find! I only have two so far!! )
ssshhhh!!!! (the more people that know about them, the fewer cheap ones I'm going to find! I only have two so far!! )