Wal-mart guns?
04-25-2007 | 02:51 PM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Wal-mart guns?
ORIGINAL: The Rifleman
If you ever notice, Wal Mart will sell you just about anything that you want. One thing I noticed was that even with scopes, it does not have the same model number as the ones in a good gun shop.
The reason for that is because it was made for Wal Mart.
Wal Mart does not want you to buy a scope at a yard sale and then take it back to Wal Mart and tell the customer service person that you bought it there last week and lost the slip and now you want a refund.
So that is how they keep items on stock as exclusives.
The Bushnell scopes I saw there I would not put on any gun I own and the BSA Cats Eye and other garbage scopes are even worse.
As for Remington, I will put it to you like this.
Any customer that places a order of X amount of dollars gets a wholesale price.
Now if you are dealing with Wal Mart, that is not good enough.
They tell Remington that we only want to pay X amount of dollars for this gun and X amount of dollars for that gun - and oh by the way - we want 100,000 of them.
Any company that is in buisness will tell you that yes it is nice to have a large order to keep you in buisness, but when the customer wants to under cut all your other customers, then you have to decide on how you are going to handle the situation.
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
Hopefully the new owners of Remington will stop all this nonsense and just quit sellingrifles to Wal Mart.
If you ever notice, Wal Mart will sell you just about anything that you want. One thing I noticed was that even with scopes, it does not have the same model number as the ones in a good gun shop.
The reason for that is because it was made for Wal Mart.
Wal Mart does not want you to buy a scope at a yard sale and then take it back to Wal Mart and tell the customer service person that you bought it there last week and lost the slip and now you want a refund.
So that is how they keep items on stock as exclusives.
The Bushnell scopes I saw there I would not put on any gun I own and the BSA Cats Eye and other garbage scopes are even worse.
As for Remington, I will put it to you like this.
Any customer that places a order of X amount of dollars gets a wholesale price.
Now if you are dealing with Wal Mart, that is not good enough.
They tell Remington that we only want to pay X amount of dollars for this gun and X amount of dollars for that gun - and oh by the way - we want 100,000 of them.
Any company that is in buisness will tell you that yes it is nice to have a large order to keep you in buisness, but when the customer wants to under cut all your other customers, then you have to decide on how you are going to handle the situation.
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
Hopefully the new owners of Remington will stop all this nonsense and just quit sellingrifles to Wal Mart.
That one of the biggest lines of BS I've ever read......
04-25-2007 | 03:40 PM
#23
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Blissfield MI USA
RE: Wal-mart guns?
ORIGINAL: The Rifleman
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
I have talked to remington via Email on this very subject before. They were very upset someone told me walmart carried inferior or second hand guns. They even wanted to know the name of the gun shop that told me this. They assured me that guns at any store, be it cabela's, walmart, Kmart or a local gunstore are of the same quality, period. They simply can not afford to put out a bad product. Especially to a retailer that sells that much product.
Oh, and the BSA Catseye scopes are actually pretty decent for the money. I would put them up there with a simmons aetec. They cost about as much as well. Their cheaper scopes are pretty junky though. Not that I would put a catseye on a 1,000 dollar high powered rifle and take it to africa though.
Paul
04-25-2007 | 08:42 PM
#24
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RE: Wal-mart guns?
I've heard several local gunshop owners tell customers "Walmart can sell them cheaper because they are seconds". One local "expert" even told me how his buddy was a Walmart manager and told him about all the scratch and dent guns that Walmart sells. Of course this is all pure b.s. spread by gunshops trying to justify their higher prices.
04-26-2007 | 01:44 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Pine Hill Alabama USA
RE: Wal-mart guns?
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
04-26-2007 | 06:41 AM
#27
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Wal-mart guns?
ORIGINAL: sjsfire
That one of the biggest lines of BS I've ever read......
ORIGINAL: The Rifleman
If you ever notice, Wal Mart will sell you just about anything that you want. One thing I noticed was that even with scopes, it does not have the same model number as the ones in a good gun shop.
The reason for that is because it was made for Wal Mart.
Wal Mart does not want you to buy a scope at a yard sale and then take it back to Wal Mart and tell the customer service person that you bought it there last week and lost the slip and now you want a refund.
So that is how they keep items on stock as exclusives.
The Bushnell scopes I saw there I would not put on any gun I own and the BSA Cats Eye and other garbage scopes are even worse.
As for Remington, I will put it to you like this.
Any customer that places a order of X amount of dollars gets a wholesale price.
Now if you are dealing with Wal Mart, that is not good enough.
They tell Remington that we only want to pay X amount of dollars for this gun and X amount of dollars for that gun - and oh by the way - we want 100,000 of them.
Any company that is in buisness will tell you that yes it is nice to have a large order to keep you in buisness, but when the customer wants to under cut all your other customers, then you have to decide on how you are going to handle the situation.
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
Hopefully the new owners of Remington will stop all this nonsense and just quit sellingrifles to Wal Mart.
If you ever notice, Wal Mart will sell you just about anything that you want. One thing I noticed was that even with scopes, it does not have the same model number as the ones in a good gun shop.
The reason for that is because it was made for Wal Mart.
Wal Mart does not want you to buy a scope at a yard sale and then take it back to Wal Mart and tell the customer service person that you bought it there last week and lost the slip and now you want a refund.
So that is how they keep items on stock as exclusives.
The Bushnell scopes I saw there I would not put on any gun I own and the BSA Cats Eye and other garbage scopes are even worse.
As for Remington, I will put it to you like this.
Any customer that places a order of X amount of dollars gets a wholesale price.
Now if you are dealing with Wal Mart, that is not good enough.
They tell Remington that we only want to pay X amount of dollars for this gun and X amount of dollars for that gun - and oh by the way - we want 100,000 of them.
Any company that is in buisness will tell you that yes it is nice to have a large order to keep you in buisness, but when the customer wants to under cut all your other customers, then you have to decide on how you are going to handle the situation.
Their solution is that the goodrifles and semi auto shotgunsgoes to the regular customers that are paying a higher price and the lower end guns - seconds if you will - goes to Wal Mart.
When arifle goes through the line and it does not shoot as well as the others, but does go bang and hits the target.
They put it on a pallet and sells it to Wal Mart to be sent to one of their stores.
When the customers only goal is to save money and quality is not a issue - the Wal Mart gun will work just fine.
When the customer is looking for accuracy, the customercomes back and cry's and complain's and send's it back to the factory. The factory shoots therifle and tells the customer that it is within factory specifications and everything is ok.
Only they do not tell the customer that within factory specifications is 3 inches at 100 yards. So as long as it hits a paper plate at 100 yards it is ok.
The customer gets disgruntled and swears that he will never buy a new Remington gun ever again and the company looses a sale.
Hopefully the new owners of Remington will stop all this nonsense and just quit sellingrifles to Wal Mart.
That one of the biggest lines of BS I've ever read......
04-26-2007 | 07:26 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Tennessee
RE: Wal-mart guns?
They're guns are fine, I think they have too many Weatherbys and too few Remingtons or Brownings, and that's probably because they need to have "Always Low Prices" and of course, they buy guns that are at low prices anyway.
04-26-2007 | 08:24 AM
#29
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: The Republic of Texas
RE: Wal-mart guns?
I think the origins of this myth are probably various clowns who can't shoot worth a cr@p, who go to the range once a year and can't hit the targets, and then say "Yeah, well, it's probably because I bought this lousy rifle at WalMart..."
