Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
12-19-2006, 02:54 PM
#61
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
You show me factory loaded data then that gets the ballistics of the 308 within 80fps, (except that crap hornady data).
ORIGINAL: TerryM
Unless you handload to get the most out of the .30-06 then there is virtually no difference between the two since the 06 is loaded quite mild to avoid blowing up old military rifles. No game animal will ever know thedifference and I have taken moose with both with no difference at all.
Unless you handload to get the most out of the .30-06 then there is virtually no difference between the two since the 06 is loaded quite mild to avoid blowing up old military rifles. No game animal will ever know thedifference and I have taken moose with both with no difference at all.
12-19-2006, 03:04 PM
#62
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
I have a couple of targets here I'll be happy to post them tomorrow. One is about sub 1/2 MOA at 100 yrds using the 180 gr. load going 2740. I also have one that is ~0.6" @ 200 yrds with the same load.
ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack
I was proving you wrong that you said no 180 gr. load could come within 80 fps of the .06. If it can get to 2740 from the factory then I'm sure a superb handloader much like yourself could surely get a measly 60 more FPS out of it! Right?
I guess I don't understand what you mean. You don't think I loaded the first round? I don't reload. That is the Federal load that I shoot.
I havea couple of targets here I'll be happy to post them tomorrow. One is about sub 1/2 MOA at 100 yrds using the 180 gr. load going 2740. I also have one that is ~0.6" @ 200 yrds with the same load.
So far you haven't proved anything except you have a big mouth and you aren't able to come up with any facts to back your opinions. My numbers aren't from the Hornady Light Magnum sorry.
I don't need to spout off or prove anything. Especially notto the likes of you. I use that load in my gun. I have the gun in my hand. I actually shoot the gun. According to you that makes me an expert on the subject. Remember?
But I'm just a dumb kid what the hell would I know over a distinguished gentlesir/engineer/handloader extrodanaire like yourself. Far be it from me to dare question you.
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
Man, you about dense. You said it outperformed. I mean come on. Who cares about 9 extra grains when reloading.
I tell you what. I have the chronos, I have the rifles. I will put my money up. You show me a 308 that kick out a 180gr bullet at 2800fps with hunting accuracy, thats 1MOA, and we will talk money. You can't do it. I have proved it time and time again, light magnum data is useless, and I have yet to see it live up to its claim. We have an office in denver, and I go out once or twice a year. You bring your money and tell me where.
In fact, I doubt you have loaded the first round.
Man, you about dense. You said it outperformed. I mean come on. Who cares about 9 extra grains when reloading.
I tell you what. I have the chronos, I have the rifles. I will put my money up. You show me a 308 that kick out a 180gr bullet at 2800fps with hunting accuracy, thats 1MOA, and we will talk money. You can't do it. I have proved it time and time again, light magnum data is useless, and I have yet to see it live up to its claim. We have an office in denver, and I go out once or twice a year. You bring your money and tell me where.
In fact, I doubt you have loaded the first round.
I guess I don't understand what you mean. You don't think I loaded the first round? I don't reload. That is the Federal load that I shoot.
I havea couple of targets here I'll be happy to post them tomorrow. One is about sub 1/2 MOA at 100 yrds using the 180 gr. load going 2740. I also have one that is ~0.6" @ 200 yrds with the same load.
So far you haven't proved anything except you have a big mouth and you aren't able to come up with any facts to back your opinions. My numbers aren't from the Hornady Light Magnum sorry.
I don't need to spout off or prove anything. Especially notto the likes of you. I use that load in my gun. I have the gun in my hand. I actually shoot the gun. According to you that makes me an expert on the subject. Remember?
But I'm just a dumb kid what the hell would I know over a distinguished gentlesir/engineer/handloader extrodanaire like yourself. Far be it from me to dare question you.
12-19-2006, 03:04 PM
#63
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
The Federal Blue Box 150 grain cartridges loaded with the Speer grand Slam adversised 2910 fps and in my 7600, the chronographed right on the money. So there is at least one example.
12-19-2006, 03:27 PM
#64
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
Sometimes the factory data is right on the money in some guns. Most of the times they are not. For example, my 460Smith&wesson with 200gr factory ammo is dead on the specs by hornady at 2200fps. But, one I have a very tight bore, and its a Perfromance model, with a 10.5" barrel. Ihave 3 friends with the X frameregular smith model with thegain twist barrel,and all 8" barrels, and none can come 150fps to the claimedHornady velocity. Does that mean hornady's claim is false? No,not exactly.
It has alotto do on how thechamber is setup, howmuch freebore, and how loose the rifling is.And of course barrel length.
It has alotto do on how thechamber is setup, howmuch freebore, and how loose the rifling is.And of course barrel length.
12-19-2006, 04:45 PM
#65
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
Sometimes the factory data is right on the money in some guns. Most of the times they are not. For example, my 460Smith&wesson with 200gr factory ammo is dead on the specs by hornady at 2200fps. But, one I have a very tight bore, and its a Perfromance model, with a 10.5" barrel. Ihave 3 friends with the X frameregular smith model with thegain twist barrel,and all 8" barrels, and none can come 150fps to the claimedHornady velocity. Does that mean hornady's claim is false? No,not exactly.
It has alotto do on how thechamber is setup, howmuch freebore, and how loose the rifling is.And of course barrel length.
Sometimes the factory data is right on the money in some guns. Most of the times they are not. For example, my 460Smith&wesson with 200gr factory ammo is dead on the specs by hornady at 2200fps. But, one I have a very tight bore, and its a Perfromance model, with a 10.5" barrel. Ihave 3 friends with the X frameregular smith model with thegain twist barrel,and all 8" barrels, and none can come 150fps to the claimedHornady velocity. Does that mean hornady's claim is false? No,not exactly.
It has alotto do on how thechamber is setup, howmuch freebore, and how loose the rifling is.And of course barrel length.
12-19-2006, 08:11 PM
#66
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
ORIGINAL: TerryM
Did you shoot that .308 , 180gr load that you claim clocked 2740 through a chrono or read a brochure? To getr that kind of speed you would have to have at least a 24" barrel and most hunting rifles don't. Look I am a great fan of the .308 but you need to realize that the 2 ( .308,.3006 ) are practically speaking the same when shooting factory ammo. Now, if you load yourself the good old .3006 really shines. Stop reading brochures and buy yourself some loading gear.
Did you shoot that .308 , 180gr load that you claim clocked 2740 through a chrono or read a brochure? To getr that kind of speed you would have to have at least a 24" barrel and most hunting rifles don't. Look I am a great fan of the .308 but you need to realize that the 2 ( .308,.3006 ) are practically speaking the same when shooting factory ammo. Now, if you load yourself the good old .3006 really shines. Stop reading brochures and buy yourself some loading gear.
I don't have to reload to shoot, be a good shooter or talk about my load. I shoot for a living. I don't have patience or time to reload. I'm more interested in performancefactory loads that I can keep on hand,are consisent and widely available. You people are reloading snobs. Reloading doesn't make you more qualified than me to compare cartridges and it certainly doesn't make you a better shooter.
12-19-2006, 11:46 PM
#67
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack
What part of "that's the load I shoot" are you having trouble understanding. If my barrel wasn't 20" it would be right on the money.
I don't have to reload to shoot, be a good shooter or talk about my load. I shoot for a living. I don't have patience or time to reload. I'm more interested in performancefactory loads that I can keep on hand,are consisent and widely available. You people are reloading snobs. Reloading doesn't make you more qualified than me to compare cartridges and it certainly doesn't make you a better shooter.
ORIGINAL: TerryM
Did you shoot that .308 , 180gr load that you claim clocked 2740 through a chrono or read a brochure? To getr that kind of speed you would have to have at least a 24" barrel and most hunting rifles don't. Look I am a great fan of the .308 but you need to realize that the 2 ( .308,.3006 ) are practically speaking the same when shooting factory ammo. Now, if you load yourself the good old .3006 really shines. Stop reading brochures and buy yourself some loading gear.
Did you shoot that .308 , 180gr load that you claim clocked 2740 through a chrono or read a brochure? To getr that kind of speed you would have to have at least a 24" barrel and most hunting rifles don't. Look I am a great fan of the .308 but you need to realize that the 2 ( .308,.3006 ) are practically speaking the same when shooting factory ammo. Now, if you load yourself the good old .3006 really shines. Stop reading brochures and buy yourself some loading gear.
I don't have to reload to shoot, be a good shooter or talk about my load. I shoot for a living. I don't have patience or time to reload. I'm more interested in performancefactory loads that I can keep on hand,are consisent and widely available. You people are reloading snobs. Reloading doesn't make you more qualified than me to compare cartridges and it certainly doesn't make you a better shooter.
12-19-2006, 11:51 PM
#68
Join Date: Nov 2006
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
Actually, Terry, I have chronographed, a lot of factory loads, and, contrary to popular belief, if you use the same length barrel or longer, as the factory's, you usually get the same numbers or better, that old qualm about factories hyping their ammo up X amount of fps, is nothing more then a wives tale, when you use the same length or longer barrel, then the factory, that is.
12-19-2006, 11:52 PM
#69
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RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
I, believe, that the hoopla about factory ammo, being so off the marl, was started by reloaders, they that they could feel secure, in their belief, that they are out doing the factories.