Recoil cost me this year; please HELP
#81
Typical Buck
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Denver, Colorado
IMHO, the issue isn't whether a 7mmRemMag is or isn't a "proper" deer rifle; rather, why is this fellow having trouble?
I've got a couple 10 gauges (a Ithaca Mag 10, and a "no name" Spanish SxS double) and while their recoil is "different" from the sharper jab of a NA big game rifle; it still serves as abenchmark of ones "mettle for recoil" and one that should serve as a sufficient"stamp of approval" for handling a 7mmRemMag. This leads me back to the brass tacks of "recoil managment" namely that I thinksome of the "tacks" must be missing.
If a guy can handle 3.5" 10 gauges no problem, then under proper conditions a 7mmRemMag should be NO problem at all either.
So the actual recoil of the rifle is not the problem, it is managing that recoil with a scoped rifle set up thatappears to bethe problem.
One can sellthe rifleand simply move away from 7mmRemMag; however, IMHO the "high power rifle shooting" problem will likely follow.
I wish I could have just one night (to work over the rifle - length, relief, weight, etc.) and a dayof shooting (technique, simulation, rules, mixed fire, and practice) with this fellow to show him what I mean. Dollars to donuts it would be 75% fixed in that time, the balance would come off in time as long as the fundamentals were not abandoned.
I've got a couple 10 gauges (a Ithaca Mag 10, and a "no name" Spanish SxS double) and while their recoil is "different" from the sharper jab of a NA big game rifle; it still serves as abenchmark of ones "mettle for recoil" and one that should serve as a sufficient"stamp of approval" for handling a 7mmRemMag. This leads me back to the brass tacks of "recoil managment" namely that I thinksome of the "tacks" must be missing.
If a guy can handle 3.5" 10 gauges no problem, then under proper conditions a 7mmRemMag should be NO problem at all either.
So the actual recoil of the rifle is not the problem, it is managing that recoil with a scoped rifle set up thatappears to bethe problem.
One can sellthe rifleand simply move away from 7mmRemMag; however, IMHO the "high power rifle shooting" problem will likely follow.
I wish I could have just one night (to work over the rifle - length, relief, weight, etc.) and a dayof shooting (technique, simulation, rules, mixed fire, and practice) with this fellow to show him what I mean. Dollars to donuts it would be 75% fixed in that time, the balance would come off in time as long as the fundamentals were not abandoned.
#82
Thread Starter
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: Saratoga
I think your taking things a bit too seriously my friend.
Not sure where in the post I cried anything but maybe I’m wrong and you can tell exactly what kind of shooter I am and how much range time I put in by a couple of post to a web forum; me thinks not, but whatever… Oh, and for a “silly question” as you put it I sure got a heck of a lot of great advice from guys on this board (you included) that I can use to make my decision on what to do next. Peace man, it’s just a message board 
Not sure where in the post I cried anything but maybe I’m wrong and you can tell exactly what kind of shooter I am and how much range time I put in by a couple of post to a web forum; me thinks not, but whatever… Oh, and for a “silly question” as you put it I sure got a heck of a lot of great advice from guys on this board (you included) that I can use to make my decision on what to do next. Peace man, it’s just a message board 
#84
It sounds like a scope problem to me. Find a decent gun store and take in your riffle. Have them check the eye relief and make sure it is enough when you are looking through the scope. The last two times I saw this it was a bad scope one time and the next the person was choking up onto the scope.
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#85
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Federal Way, WA
First of all to everyone, the recoil of 10 gauge and a 7mm are completly different. Look at the situation and variables. You cannot compare the two. Sure you can compare them on lbs of recoil all day
1. Trigger control is completely different. A pull vs a slow squeeze.
2. Shotgun you point and blast. Rifle you aim, steady yourself, squeeze the trigger.
3. Rifle- one accurate projectile. Shotgun- many projectiles.
Savage,
IMHO, adjust your scope and practice practice.
1. Trigger control is completely different. A pull vs a slow squeeze.
2. Shotgun you point and blast. Rifle you aim, steady yourself, squeeze the trigger.
3. Rifle- one accurate projectile. Shotgun- many projectiles.
Savage,
IMHO, adjust your scope and practice practice.
#87
Typical Buck
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From: Denver, Colorado
"....But I blowing like $25 for box of 7mm mag rounds when I can get a .308 or 30.06 and stock up when Rem cor-loks go no sale for $10 a box...."
Or isitjust a convenient excuse to justify "easing out"?
How many hundred rounds do plan to shoot per year?
Besides, $13.99 isn't that bad is it?
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=465422
#88
Thread Starter
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: Saratoga
ORIGINAL: EKM
And you were not aware of this differential before you bought the 7mmRemMag?
Or isitjust a convenient excuse to justify "easing out"?
How many hundred rounds do plan to shoot per year?
Besides, $13.99 isn't that bad is it?
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=465422
"....But I blowing like $25 for box of 7mm mag rounds when I can get a .308 or 30.06 and stock up when Rem cor-loks go no sale for $10 a box...."
Or isitjust a convenient excuse to justify "easing out"?
How many hundred rounds do plan to shoot per year?
Besides, $13.99 isn't that bad is it?
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=465422
If I don't like shooting the gun and can trade it it for something I might like to shoot more often then I guess I'm taking the easy road. Oh well, my gun, my choice, no need to justify. Way too many guys that are taking this way to much to heart. Thanks agian for the link (I've never mail ordered ammo, I'll have to look into it)
#89
Ive had the same problem. Here is a few ways to overcome this
1. have someone put a certain amount of bullets in the gun then shoot them all and on the last shot see how bad you flinch. Since you dont know how many is in the gun you will prepare for a kick so you might see a darastic flinch.
2. shoot for a while doing a slow squeeze of the trigger. in that case you dont know when the gun will fire so you cant flintch.
you might want to get that scope checked to see if the eye relief is ok. It might be the scopes problem.
Work on those 2 and youll quite the flintching. I gauarantee it!
1. have someone put a certain amount of bullets in the gun then shoot them all and on the last shot see how bad you flinch. Since you dont know how many is in the gun you will prepare for a kick so you might see a darastic flinch.
2. shoot for a while doing a slow squeeze of the trigger. in that case you dont know when the gun will fire so you cant flintch.
you might want to get that scope checked to see if the eye relief is ok. It might be the scopes problem.
Work on those 2 and youll quite the flintching. I gauarantee it!
#90
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From: NW Arkansas
ORIGINAL: jake smith09
Ive had the same problem. Here is a few ways to overcome this
1. have someone put a certain amount of bullets in the gun then shoot them all and on the last shot see how bad you flinch. Since you dont know how many is in the gun you will prepare for a kick so you might see a darastic flinch.
2. shoot for a while doing a slow squeeze of the trigger. in that case you dont know when the gun will fire so you cant flintch.
you might want to get that scope checked to see if the eye relief is ok. It might be the scopes problem.
Work on those 2 and youll quite the flintching. I gauarantee it!
Ive had the same problem. Here is a few ways to overcome this
1. have someone put a certain amount of bullets in the gun then shoot them all and on the last shot see how bad you flinch. Since you dont know how many is in the gun you will prepare for a kick so you might see a darastic flinch.
2. shoot for a while doing a slow squeeze of the trigger. in that case you dont know when the gun will fire so you cant flintch.
you might want to get that scope checked to see if the eye relief is ok. It might be the scopes problem.
Work on those 2 and youll quite the flintching. I gauarantee it!


