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Quit talking about the 7mm-08
10-19-2006 | 10:16 PM
#61
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
IMHO they both are great calibers...I think SA rounds are the Sheeit! Both definitely have their place and I wouldnt feel undergunned with either for and antlered game...
10-19-2006 | 10:24 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
ORIGINAL: DM
I was surprised to read that from the statements you havemade...
You flat out said a 308 has less recoil than a 7-08
You couldn't figure out why folks were compareing lighter bullets in the 7 compared to the 30
And you seem to discount anyones opinion if it doesn't agree with yours...
I could go on, but those points alone just don't fit in with a "trained scientist" who is suposed to be trained to have an open mind. As for the bullet weight differences, you'd never have to wonder about that if you knew what a bullets "SD" has to do with it's performance... Also, a trained scientist that can't figure out the math of recoil between two different calibers????
And now, on top of all that, you even think "practical experience" has little no value either!!
Dang, i've met some scientist, and none of them were as wishy washy with there answers as you are, UNLESS they were talking waaaay out of there field of expertise!
DM
For your information I'm a professional hunter/agent for a government agency. I'm also a trained scientist.I shootfor a living. Sorry if I'm not a back-woods hill-billy, sorry it seems you value that more than logic.
You flat out said a 308 has less recoil than a 7-08
You couldn't figure out why folks were compareing lighter bullets in the 7 compared to the 30
And you seem to discount anyones opinion if it doesn't agree with yours...
I could go on, but those points alone just don't fit in with a "trained scientist" who is suposed to be trained to have an open mind. As for the bullet weight differences, you'd never have to wonder about that if you knew what a bullets "SD" has to do with it's performance... Also, a trained scientist that can't figure out the math of recoil between two different calibers????
And now, on top of all that, you even think "practical experience" has little no value either!!
Dang, i've met some scientist, and none of them were as wishy washy with there answers as you are, UNLESS they were talking waaaay out of there field of expertise!
DM
Personal experience means very little for the reasons I stated above. Don't think so? Bring some information instead of just blowing hard as most of you are fond of doing.
I hear on here alot these "I've been hunting for xx years" and "I've shot xx elk" and other assorted statements that mean nothing. Simply living to a certain age and killing some elk doesn'tqualifiy you as somesort of sage or expert.
A scientist operates under the assumption that the truth may lie outside his realm of experience and must accept the fact that things can exist even if he doesn't see them. It's called unbiased. Numbers are the definition of unbiased information. Anyone who hunts knows thatterminal ballistics in a hunting situationis not always an accurate indicator of cartridge performance simply becuase of all the uncontrollable variables involved. Of course hunters don't hunt in a vaccum but that is the best way to compare cartridges with all things being equal.
It's obvious most of you have issues with that concept, among others.
10-19-2006 | 10:25 PM
#63
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
Wow impressive,and they are so hard to hunt in spring with no hunting pressure,especially in calving season.You sound as proud of that as the guys that shoot elk in corrals,and call it hunting.
I'm only 26 and I've probably killed more elk this spring with my .308 than you have in the last 5 years
Personal attacks are pathetic and immature.
10-19-2006 | 10:26 PM
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
I shoot several hundred rounds of high powered rifle rounds every year.
If your only shooting 50 rounds a year at the range and at game then maybe a larger cartridge is for you. Not for someone that shoots hundreds of rounds a year.
It would be irresponsible of me to use a weapon that I can't be 100% reliable with on a daily basis.
10-19-2006 | 10:32 PM
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
Personal experience means very little for the reasons I stated above. Don't think so? Bring some information instead of just blowing hard as most of you are fond of doing.
I guess if you don't get it by now, you never will, and that just proves my (and several others) point even more.
DM
10-19-2006 | 11:08 PM
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
ORIGINAL: DM
There was NO personal attacks in my post, i spoke the truth, and just pointed it out....
There was NO personal attacks in my post, i spoke the truth, and just pointed it out....
Yeah your really bring the facts and showing me! Let's see, all you've done so far is tell me that the 7mm-08 is fantastic because you have apparently seen elk die by it. Then you told me that my posts are invalid because you feel I lack personal experience equal to yours. Yeah you really shut me up!
ORIGINAL: DM
The fact that you kept "changeing your answers" proves that you certainly don't have the "facts" in your favor...
The fact that you kept "changeing your answers" proves that you certainly don't have the "facts" in your favor...
ORIGINAL: DM
I guess if you don't get it by now, you never will, and that just proves my (and several others) point even more.
DM
I guess if you don't get it by now, you never will, and that just proves my (and several others) point even more.
DM
You guys are whatI like to call "keyboard cowboys". You seem to think that because you're a certain age and have "hunted all your life" that you're some kind of authority.
Your definition of "open minded" is me deferring to your "superior experience".
Well guess what I don't think I'm an authority but I'm for damn sure smart enough to at least go out and try to convince people that my viewpoint is right without the rediculous notion that I've seen it all and have all the answers.
What I have done is researched alot. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass but based on some of your guys' responses you obviously are...
10-19-2006 | 11:19 PM
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack
Is your name "stubblejumper"? I didn't quote your post did I?
Yeah your really bring the facts and showing me! Let's see, all you've done so far is tell me that the 7mm-08 is fantastic because you have apparently seen elk die by it. Then you told me that my posts are invalid because you feel I lack personal experience equal to yours. Yeah you really shut me up!
I never changed "my answers". I didn't answer anything, I simply regurgitated basic information that anyone can get if they weren't lazy, ignorant or both.
Don't get what? The fact that I simply posted information you can easily get? Or I don't get that I should be bowing to the superiority of a bunch of self-important blow hards that probably have as much experience as the average redneck but just happened to find their way to a computer?
You guys are whatI like to call "keyboard cowboys". You seem to think that because you're a certain age and have "hunted all your life" that you're some kind of authority.
Your definition of "open minded" is me deferring to your "superior experience".
Well guess what I don't think I'm an authority but I'm for damn sure smart enough to at least go out and try to convince people that my viewpoint is right without the rediculous notion that I've seen it all and have all the answers.
What I have done is researched alot. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass but based on some of your guys' responses you obviously are...
ORIGINAL: DM
There was NO personal attacks in my post, i spoke the truth, and just pointed it out....
There was NO personal attacks in my post, i spoke the truth, and just pointed it out....
Yeah your really bring the facts and showing me! Let's see, all you've done so far is tell me that the 7mm-08 is fantastic because you have apparently seen elk die by it. Then you told me that my posts are invalid because you feel I lack personal experience equal to yours. Yeah you really shut me up!
ORIGINAL: DM
The fact that you kept "changeing your answers" proves that you certainly don't have the "facts" in your favor...
The fact that you kept "changeing your answers" proves that you certainly don't have the "facts" in your favor...
ORIGINAL: DM
I guess if you don't get it by now, you never will, and that just proves my (and several others) point even more.
DM
I guess if you don't get it by now, you never will, and that just proves my (and several others) point even more.
DM
You guys are whatI like to call "keyboard cowboys". You seem to think that because you're a certain age and have "hunted all your life" that you're some kind of authority.
Your definition of "open minded" is me deferring to your "superior experience".
Well guess what I don't think I'm an authority but I'm for damn sure smart enough to at least go out and try to convince people that my viewpoint is right without the rediculous notion that I've seen it all and have all the answers.
What I have done is researched alot. I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass but based on some of your guys' responses you obviously are...
10-19-2006 | 11:27 PM
#68
Giant Nontypical
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From: fort mcmurray alberta canada
RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
Yes I have chronographed my M 111 Savage in .300 Win mag with a 24" barrel and I used Federal PowerShok ammo and the velocity was as stated on the ammo's box. 180 Gr at 2960.
You're not qualified to comment on what we do as you have no clue.
I never changed "my answers". I didn't answer anything, I simply regurgitated basic information that anyone can get if they weren't lazy, ignorant or both.
The 308 went from shooting as flat as the 7mm-08 to almost as flat,to the difference didn't matter.
For supposedly being a scientist,you have no clue as to ballistics or sectional densities,or the effects of barrel length or chamber dimensionson velocity.For a scientist your knowledge is pathetic.
Because of your lack of ballistics knowledge it isn't even possible to have a discussion of ballistics with you.
In thisshootout with myself Roskoe and DM you are unarmed.
10-20-2006 | 12:03 AM
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RE: Quit talking about the 7mm-08
Ok stubble you got me, I fired ten rounds and two were at 2955, and the rest were at 2960, gee wiz I'm going to go back to the music forum, at least not everyone is an "expert" there, and I don't have to please everyone.