ORIGINAL: Roskoe

I just came back in from the shop. Interesting exchange here in the past six hours. Brutal Attack . . . . where did you come up with such a handle? Let me constructively suggest you change that name to "A Little Thin on Experience". There are a bunch of folks on this board with a lot of depth of experience. Folks like Stubblejumper, Big Country, James B, Drilling Man, Rebel Hog . . . many more. You can't jump in here and start making statements like "the 7mm-08 is an ineffective elk round" or "experience doesn't account for much"without taking shots across the bow. Ask constructive questions . . . try to learn from the many who are more than willing to share their knowledge - which was derived from personal experience. . . . . Things will go better.

ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack

For your information I'm a professional hunter/agent for a government agency. I'm also a trained scientist.I shootfor a living. Sorry if I'm not a back-woods hill-billy, sorry it seems you value that more than logic.

I'm only 26 and I've probably killed more elk this spring with my .308 than you have in the last 5 years.

If you think personal experience tells the whole story it isn't me that's misguided or inexperienced.

I made my points and I didn't have to "because I know more than you". You seem to think that's a valid reason for me to listen to you, yet you offer nothing to back it up other than you "experience".

By no means am I saying the 7mm-08 isn't any good, I don't recall saying that. What I'm saying is, I don't think it's a better choice than a .308 for the reasons I've set forth.

Disagree? Fine then you better be prepared to back it up with some factual material. Not this "I've got x years on you youngster" BS.

ORIGINAL: rem 700

IMO, shoot what you have be it 308 or 7mm-08. ANYONE who shoots the short action 308 should NOT be bragging about a huge energy deposit. Really you have to shoot H.E. loads to get that performance in the 1st place Big whoop, 2000ftlb @ 300. Why stop there? The 30-06 can get around 2300ft lb at that distance compared to 2000 from the 308 at my elevation. Wow, another 300 ft/lbs. Why stop there? The 300 win gets nearly 2600ft lb at 300yds. Why stop there? The 300RUM gets over 2900ft lb @ 300yds. I'm just getting started. The 338 RUM steps up to over 3300 ft/lbs at 300yds. The point is, we can keep on going on with ballistics and slight improvements. But you know what? Why get beaten up too much for the job? Maybe you like the lighter recoiling 7mm-08, which to some shooters the difference is great. Get over it! These cartridges are so similar its useless to argue over, it's what the shooter needs; the 7mm-08 shooter might prefer the trajectory, wind drift, recoil etc. and maybe the 308 shooter prefers the cheap and great variety of ammo, and doesn't care about kick.

I'm only 26 and I've probably killed more elk this spring with my .308 than you have in the last 5 years

If your only shooting 50 rounds a year at the range and at game then maybe a larger cartridge is for you. Not for someone that shoots hundreds of rounds a year.

ORIGINAL: stubblejumper

Not magically,but by simply installing a longer barrel on the rifle,she can have it produce more energy with the same cartridge.

I introduced barrel length after you made the totally idiotic statement below.

But apparently you still don't comprehend how that is possible,even though I explained it to you.

In fact you are probably naive enough to believe thatall 308rifles actually produce the velocities listed on the federal and Hornady werb sites.Even ifthe barrel is the same length as listed in the tables,the velocities produced byfactory rifles are usually less than those listed in the tables.The reason for this is that most test barrels used to test loads,have chambers cut to minimum specifications which results in higher chamber pressures and more velocity than is produced in factory barrels.

Yeah I'm sure alot of people are going to go rebarrel their rifle because they don't like the velocity they're gettingb. Not really feasible in terms of this discussion.

Oh so now we shouldn't believe the ammuntion makers? Well what else do we have to go by? Do you think that the average person doesn't have access to a chrono and a 24" barrel?

That is rediculous. They don't just feed the publicinflated numbers knowing they can check it with a $40 chrono

ORIGINAL: stubblejumper

Feasible or not it would increase the energy which proves your statement wrong.

The ammunition makers are not lying.The velocitynumbers that they post are thevelocities that they obtained with their test rifles.As I posted previously and you apparently weren't able to comprehend,they use custom barrels with chambers cut to minimum standards which produce more chamber pressure and therefore morevelocity.In this way they are reasonably sure that the ammunition will not produce excessive pressure in factory rifles with more generous chamber dimensions.And since you haven't quoted a single chronographed velocity,you obviously haven't chronographed your own rifle.

Can't they.They fooled you and you claim to be a scientist.

For your information I'm a professional hunter/agent for a government agency. I'm also a trained scientist.I shootfor a living. Sorry if I'm not a back-woods hill-billy, sorry it seems you value that more than logic.