For all you naysayers go to the reloaders nest:

http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=23&BulletWeight=50

and compare the 22/250 to the 22 Swift bullet by bullet and then come back to this forum and repent. You will be forgiven for your ignorance.....after all, this is what this forum is all about.....facts.....not calling down people (like me) based on hearsay. Additionally, nearly every caliber that hasbeen made sincethe '06 was born compares itself to this cartridge and most.....yes most, say the same thing......the .284 umpty up or whatever is very close to the 30'06 in performance. Yes close....but no cigar. Also, don't mix apples with oranges.....no Magnums. Regards, Rick.

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For all you naysayers go to the reloaders nest:

http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_bw.asp?CaliberID=23&BulletWeight=50

and compare the 22/250 to the 22 Swift bullet by bullet and then come back to this forum and repent. You will be forgiven for your ignorance.....after all, this is what this forum is all about.....facts.....not calling down people (like me) based on hearsay. Additionally, nearly every caliber that hasbeen made sincethe '06 was born compares itself to this cartridge and most.....yes most, say the same thing......the .284 umpty up or whatever is very close to the 30'06 in performance. Yes close....but no cigar. Also, don't mix apples with oranges.....no Magnums. Regards, Rick.
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As Rosko said and I also said in another post, the 22-250 AI is superior in every respect than either its parent case or the 220 Swift. It is the one that has no peers.

ASlso, in checking all of my manuals, you can expect only about 100 fps difference between the swift and the 22-250. Both are very good varmit rounds but the cost in brass, powder and barrel ife favors the 22-250. The 22-250 will operate at close enough to the same speed ao about 8-10 grains less powder.

Ok....what do you suggest I use to get information on factory loads? [&:]

If you read my orginal post I stated that I do not handload. Potential and case capacity don't mean much to me. However, as I said before, the availability of factory loads and their performance does matter to me.

I'll let you in on a little secret: I've guided Federal engineers and had alot of time to talk to them about what they do. The factory is starting to do things that handloaders will probably never do. Layering powders, shaping powder grains differently, adding secret things to powders etc. etc. All these things will soon add up to handloading performance from factory loads in production rifles without liability issuescaused by high pressures etc.

I'm reading reviews of rifles in recent months where handloads aren't producing much performance gain in some production rifles and factory loads are now catching up.

Just something to think about.

Thanks for your input.

I'm not badmouthing. I am all for going with a .220 if someone can prove to me that there is enough performance difference in the factory offerings to justify getting it in place of a .22-250.

So far all I'm hearing is opinions and nothing in the way of facts. I don't consider handload data relevant because I'm not handloading.

Again, if you read my original post I do not handload. Reloading data means nothing to me. I'm only interested in the acutal performance I can get from the factory, and so far by the catalogs there isn't enough difference between a .22-250 and a 220 to justify getting a 220 with less bullet offerings.The federal loads are only 200 fps apart and about an inch apart in trajectory. That isn't enough for me to be stuck with only 2 factory loads for my gun.

Can you show me some factory data to get me hooked on the .220? Until then, all the reloading data or potential is pretty worthless to me.

I'm interested but this requires reloading and/or fire-forming brass does it not?

Exactly my point thank you.

My friend I will not argue with you over what you think is the best. All I am saying is if you are going to talk about this you have to be open minded. The .220 swift is the varmit rifle most compared to, That tells me it is the one to have .Its like having the original ,You just keep saying its only this or only that what does that tell you ? That is a sure sign that you are unsure. I am not saying the .22-250 is'nt a great round ,cause it is, I just dont like it as well as my swift. There is in on way anyone will tell me that the swift will burn the barrel out faster then the 250. So for arguement sake if there is ONLY 100fps differnce why will that not burn the 250 as fast ??? If they are the same ???? So that would make the .223wssm burn even faster cause it is 100fps faster then the .220 swift. See how it all centers around the swift !! Like I said before its just like the 30-06 in its world. If a north american hunter had a .220 swift and 30-06 he/she could just sit back a smile while all the talk of its as good as this or that is going on and just keep shooting and having fun.

On the subject of reloading and factory loads. I totally understand what you are saying about stated factory loads. They have a margin of error built in to there rounds. So what I am telling you, I can and have loaded the swift and the 250. They both load well, I can just get more out of the swift in all grain bullets there is just more case capacity with the swift. I am in no way saying that the 250 isnt good it's just right behind the swift.

I've owned and shot both. I can tell you that the only place the swift appears to be superior is over the chrono. In real world terms the 2 rounds are identical or nearly so. I love both rounds so don't flame me. For your purpose I would say get the 250 and never look back.

Also, May I suggest you research the 204 ruger. It is a real sweet shooter, though I don't know what you intended purpose is.If youhad caught the reloader bug I would suggest some others like the 20 VarTarg, or 17 MachIV they both are based on the 221 Fireball case. The 221 fireball is a fun gun to own but in no wayclose to the 250 or swift in terms of speed and ballistics. But I digress.

You guys won't believe this, but my grandpa and Uncle there.

My great-grandpa shot an antelope from 900 yards with an open sight a a few years back, and my grandpa and uncle couldn't stop talking about it!
The 220 Swift has a flat trajectory, and is "Swift".