Kinder to the shoulder - means when slung. Not recoil. Just back from Wyoming - 9 days with a Sako on my shoulder and the bite of the backpack, water, spotting scope, etc. Don't feel the recoil - just the weight cutting into the shouldder after days of strait up and strait down.

Ok that explains it..yep my KS was nice carrying around when I had to climb a lot too. There are a lot of Pro's and Con's about hunting with a light rifle.

I'm glad he clarified that kinder on the shoulder thing oldelkhunter.
my model seven is nice to carry but lets you know you just shot a rifle!
i have a burris balistic plex in FFII 3.5 x 10 x50 ,good scope. i like the leupold 3x9x50 vxII. for the money a good scope. i came close to buying a vari x III 3.5 x 10 x50 i just didnt have the money. i like the 50's cause i hunt open areas alot and late shots are very possible. they do pay off.
Btrack you shoot my 300 sendero and then shot my 308 model seven. you'll see the difference. little seven gave me a kiss above the eye once now i hold on.<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Yup - from my perspective - if I wasn't punkin out in my forties I wouldn't be whining about the shoulder thing but somethings got to give and it won't be the the next 10k peak if their is the right deer or elk up there! Got to lessen the load everywhere.

I'm working out, running, lifting, boxing.. building 140'retaining wall in the backyard for the misses,...but I definitely don't have the spring in my step that I had at one time up over 10,000 ft or when they double back on you for the 4th time around the mountain in deep snow!

Went to a Jansport Dart Frog 35 backpack for my muley hunts, a lighter spotting scope, leave the camcorder home half the time now.. just less gear all around even for packing overnighters.

For whitetails pretty much same-o but again leave the camcorder at home for a little custom made noiseless backpack with the very survival basics..binos, e-blanket, lighter, compass, knife, minimag, drag rope and lunch.

And yes,me too... on the heavier gun topic. I absolutely like a 8/9lb plus gun when hunting. Other then my 270 featherweight and my little model 99 in 300 savage,(had to have one for &quot;charicter&quot; purposes/pig gun)...most of my arms tend to be light-heavyweights 8-10lbs. At 230# if ya saw off my arms and legs!!! - and being so &quot;lucky&quot;, I usually have to sprint up what most consider unhuntable to get that moving animal shot... when your lungs are on the outside of your chest..your heart rate is off the chart.. and breath rate capable of fogging up the hubble space telescope... that's where those heavy guns are much better for me. Steady is easier with that Sako and the Tikka weight. But man, I have to be ready for next year.

I'm hoping that, for shot 1 at least, the Remington will group and even with the shortie barrel still allow me to reach for one if needed. I know the thinner barrels tend to wonder when they are heated. I don't currently own a remington rifle so hoping the accuracy is up to snuff. Lots of range practice will be necessary to get it right no doubt.

I really want to take it on this whitetail hunt up in the Northeast I have coming up in 8 days! With snow, if I'm lucky, I'll be tracking them and I am kind of hoping that with safety placement and feel it will be quicker to the shoulder then one of my bigger guns if I can't catch one bedded or unalerted.

Lessening recoil is good if I noticed it, along with the skinless shins from the sage brush and barbwire, the three toenails snapped off on the last rock decent and the inverted ankle and knee. You guys know what I mean? Right! You get into &quot;it&quot; and have to be told by your wife or someone in camp that your bleeding. Recoil?

I know at the range - things will be different. I just am hoping the next time I go up to Sonora Pass and get out of the truck at 9k+ that the lessened weight will make it easier to get old bag of bones over the top with bivi/gear and that if I have a chance at one of those ridgerunning whitetails again back east - I'll be on them a little quicker.

So, I guess I should ask about my long ranger plans (winning the lottery and all.. or going broke)... which is currently a Remington Alaskan Wilderness Rifle in 300RUM. Haven't picked a scope or even settled on that gun - but I will no doubt hear you then on the recoil if i go forward with it. Hear the weigh about 6-7lbs?

I was recently at agun smith friends on mines shop at got to handle a new 700 titanium and although i really like the remington 700's I was very disapointed with the fit finish trigger and sloppy action on this gun. he was working on it to try to improve its accuracy. and didnt have much good to say about how it was put together for the price of this rifle I would ecpect more out of remington JMO

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I was recently at agun smith friends on mines shop at got to handle a new 700 titanium and although i really like the remington 700's I was very disapointed with the fit finish trigger and sloppy action on this gun. he was working on it to try to improve its accuracy. and didnt have much good to say about how it was put together for the price of this rifle I would expect more out of remington JMO

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Actually - the dealer where I bought it has a 270 on the shelf and if the one I get looks like that from a form and fit standpoint, id be happy. At the end of the day - I abuse (excluding safety) every gun I own - so all I really care about it that it hits what I'm aiming at. With that said, I have heard that the triggers are tough on some - but having never owned a rem before?? Maybe I can get that changed out or reworked once I figure out what's going on with it.

Titanium came in today. Sweet! Looks like the safety will need some work to make it silent but fit and form good. Not tried the trigger yet. Of course, in California, I have to wait until next monday to pick it up - so tourture! Can't wait to shoot it. Good thing Turkey opens this weekend and the pigs are on the move with all this rain!

Down to a VIII in a matt I have on another rifle - but will probably paint or something anyway... or I have a 3.5x10 Cabelas Alaskan that new in box that I can get for next to nothing from a friend. Maybe he doesn't want me to shoot anything? Says it's a rangefinder model which might be a little busy... but not too heavy. Say's it's clear. Have to look at it.

Any experience with the Cabela's Alaskan Guide Scopes.

Know the leopold works but have to dig into a strait shooter or kick out another 4 bills for the new one.

Sure wish Winchester would make a short action titanium M70 in 308 or 7mm/08!

Never trust a bow under 40 (inches).

They do make the titanium in a 7mm/08., That a 270, 308 and 30.06