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ipscshooter 05-11-2006 08:47 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 

ORIGINAL: VT_Hunter1980

As you said, there are likely to be member of law enforcement and the military who will defy the unconstitutional law. I'm willing to bet that LEOs in certain rural areas will out and out refuse to participate in gun seizures. We will have allies.
Part of the problem is that a TREATY banning guns is NOT unconstitutional. International treaties take precedence over our constitution. This is one of the reasons we CANNOT have Hillary Clinton in office, and lose Republican majorities in the House and Senate.Clinton, Shumer, Biden, et al., are morons, but they're not stupid. If they take over, all it takes is the stroke of a pen and your rights are GONE. Simple as that. At least with a Republican in the White House, we maintain our Security Council veto on such ridiculous possibilities.

VT_Hunter1980 05-11-2006 08:53 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter


ORIGINAL: VT_Hunter1980

As you said, there are likely to be member of law enforcement and the military who will defy the unconstitutional law. I'm willing to bet that LEOs in certain rural areas will out and out refuse to participate in gun seizures. We will have allies.
Part of the problem is that a TREATY banning guns is NOT unconstitutional. International treaties take precedence over our constitution. This is one of the reasons we CANNOT have Hillary Clinton in office, and lose Republican majorities in the House and Senate.Clinton, Shumer, Biden, et al., are morons, but they're not stupid. If they take over, all it takes is the stroke of a pen and your rights are GONE. Simple as that. At least with a Republican in the White House, we maintain our Security Council veto on such ridiculous possibilities.
I'm pretty sure that it's the other way around and the constitution takes precedence over international treaties. Can you give me a link to something stating this?

Solitary Man 05-11-2006 09:46 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
The United States Constitution doesNOT take a back seat to treaties. Plain and simple. State Constitutions may or may not, but since the U.S. Constitutionis controlling, I tend the think the sky is not falling.

I've been a member of the NRA for several years and probably always will be, but I can't say that I'm enthusiastic about it. I don't like being treated like an idiot and with some of the crap they send me in the mail, I think that's exactly what they think of us sometimes. The Safari Club Int'l, another organization that fights for our gun rights, apparently knows I'm a grown, college educated adult.

ipscshooter 05-11-2006 10:09 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/Dec_2002/treaties.htm

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vol11no07_treaties.htm

http://www.freedompage.home.mindspring.com/ConstitutionJR.htm

I really haven't researched the issue, and perhaps I've been overly influenced by the "fear of black helicopters" brigade. But, the sites above point to some decisions that, they say, affirmed treaties which violated Constitutional rights. Article VI of the Constitution does make treaties a part of "the supreme law of the land".

ejpaul1 05-11-2006 10:30 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
Well, I just joined the NRA. I couldn’t afford anything but the cheapest membership, but I want to do what I can. Anyway, I just graduated and without a doubt the constitution takes precedence over treaties. If the treaty doesn’t align with the constitution blatantly, it doesn’t fly at all. Also, many of these treaties have exceptions and clarifications to be brought forthwith. SO, yes we should be aware and on the cusp of these things along with doing what we can, but dont live in fear keeping yopurself from enjoying life and our great sport . Live in confidence and exude assureadness of decision. EJ

Solitary Man 05-11-2006 10:32 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
ipscshooter, how about these:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/limited_gov_treaty.htm

http://www.unwatch.com/treaties.html

BTW, the last two ofyour links don't seem to work.

Pawildman 05-12-2006 01:38 PM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
I have been a Life Member of the NRA for many years, and I also get a little tired of their incessant mailings requesting donations. I probably receive 3 to 4 requests per month, and donate a set amount every year. They are, however, the strongest pro-gun forces in this country,and spend a lot of time and money lobbying our causes in Washington. They NEED our support to carry on their and our programs. To be a gun owner in this country and not belong to the NRA is absurd, in my opinion. You may not agree with ALL they say or do, but without their efforts, gun ownership and all the sports that go with it may not exist as we know them today. If they are not continued to be supported, don't look around some day and wonder why you can't have your 30-06 or your Glock any longer.
Get off your dead a**, get your wallet out, and become a member, for God's sake !! Quit letting the rest of us pull your weight through this. Take some responsibility to support the main organization who is trying to protect YOUR rights to enjoy your sport. Or, maybe you'd care to move to Australia, Europe, or even Canada where the NRA doesn't exist. Try owning rifles, shotguns, and in particular, handguns in those places.
It's time to quit your d*** whining and step up to the plate.

hardcorehunter 05-12-2006 04:23 PM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 

ORIGINAL: Pawildman

I have been a Life Member of the NRA for many years, and I also get a little tired of their incessant mailings requesting donations. I probably receive 3 to 4 requests per month, and donate a set amount every year. They are, however, the strongest pro-gun forces in this country,and spend a lot of time and money lobbying our causes in Washington. They NEED our support to carry on their and our programs. To be a gun owner in this country and not belong to the NRA is absurd, in my opinion. You may not agree with ALL they say or do, but without their efforts, gun ownership and all the sports that go with it may not exist as we know them today. If they are not continued to be supported, don't look around some day and wonder why you can't have your 30-06 or your Glock any longer.
Get off your dead a**, get your wallet out, and become a member, for God's sake !! Quit letting the rest of us pull your weight through this. Take some responsibility to support the main organization who is trying to protect YOUR rights to enjoy your sport. Or, maybe you'd care to move to Australia, Europe, or even Canada where the NRA doesn't exist. Try owning rifles, shotguns, and in particular, handguns in those places.
It's time to quit your d*** whining and step up to the plate.
Another well said statement.

grubburg 06-09-2006 07:58 PM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
anyone who thinks international treaties preempt the united states constitution is a fool. i have a b.a. in law and society and am i law school. the repulsion of the second amendment (by only another amendment to our consititution) will never ever happen. never. relax and stop only getting your news through nra publications. i read this article and started laughing at how stupid some of you are....

Vapodog 06-10-2006 06:23 AM

RE: NRA Mailed me this today
 
I've actually had people tell me that UN troops will come to my door and confiscate my guns.

Does anyone actually think this is going to happen?

This is how inteligent the NRA thinks we are.....It's time we think a bit instead of being led around by a chain in our nose.


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