tykempster

Also, 7mm-08 must not be too popular around here, Walmart doesn't have it and at BassPro prices are crazy. I'll stick to something where I can get ammo at $11 a box.

UThunter

Tykempster, you really know your stuff...are you really new to this or are you just super fast at learning. Some of the stuff you say is very technical and pretty educated...

tykempster

Nah, I'm really new I swear. I really like guns and I'm really intereted in getting the bestgun for me. Most of my posts are at school, but it says itsat 8pm for some reason...

tykempster

Well, I've narrowed it down to 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06. The 7mm does almost everything a 300 Mag can do especially at longer ranges. Heres some ballistics from Scirocco bonded, I picked something at random. Yellow is 7mm blue is 30-06 and green is 300 Mag




Index No.
Cartridge Type
Wt. (grs)
Bullet Style
Primer No.
Ballistic Coefficient

PRSC7MMB
Premier Scirocco Bonded
150
Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded
9 1/2 M
0.533

PRSC3006C
Premier Scirocco Bonded
150
Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded
9 1/2
0.435

PRSC300WB
Premier Scirocco Bonded
180
Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded
9 1/2 M
0.507





VELOCITY (ft/sec)

Cartridge Type
Bullet
Muzzle
100
200
300
400
500

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
3110
2927
2751
2582
2419
2262

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
2910
2696
2492
2298
2111
1934

Premier Scirocco BondedC
180 SSB
2960
2274
2595
2424
2259
2100





ENERGY (ft-lbs)

Cartridge Type
Bullet
Muzzle
100
200
300
400
500

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
3221
2852
2520
2220
1948
1704

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
2820
2421
2069
1758
1485
1246

Premier Scirocco Bonded
180 SSB
3501
3075
2692
2348
2039
1762





SHORT-RANGE¹ TRAJECTORY*

Cartridge Type
Bullet
50
100
150
200
250
300

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
0.0
0.5
zero
-1.6
-4.3
-8.2

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
0.1
0.7
zero
-2.0
-5.3
-10.2

Premier Scirocco Bonded
180 SSB
0.1
0.6
zero
-1.8
-4.9
-9.4





LONG-RANGE² TRAJECTORY*

Cartridge Type
Bullet
100
150
200
250
300
400
500

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
1.3
1.2
zero
-2.3
-5.9
-17.0
-34.0

Premier Scirocco Bonded
150 SSB
1.6
1.5
zero
-2.9
-7.3
-21.1
-42.3

Premier Scirocco Bonded
180 SSB
1.5
1.4
zero
-2.6
-6.7
-19.3
-38.7

DANTHEHUNTER

Here is my advice, If you are like most of the deer hunters around here ,You will get your rifle out 1 week before season shoot 5 or 6 rounds at 100 yards call it good then try to shoot at a running deer 400 yards off and wonder if your scope is off come to my house get on the bench shoot 5 or 6 rounds then try it agin. What I am trying to say if you arent willing to spend the time shooting a 30-30 will be all the long range rifle you will need.Most of the men I have hunted with come to my range and second guess my 200 yard target for a 300 yard target. Its very important to make sure when you say long range you are really shooting long range.

About the .243 having to have follow up shots. I would guess that the first round wasnt where it was ment to be or it wound of put them down. All bullets wont travel a line though an animal the same So dont judge one shot from a rifle to determine weather its good or bad. May just have been a bad shot or bad angle.

tykempster

I understand that lots of people aren't willing to spend the time or the money to get good at longer range shots. I have a 550 yard range not too far away and the reason I've decided probably 30-06 or 7mm is because they are long range cartridges which don't cost alot to shoot, so I'll be able to practice more. I don't plan on any 400 yard running shots. I don't even feel that good about a 200 yard running shot.

stubblejumper

Truer words were never spoken.Far too many people buy a rifle chambered in a cartridge that has long range potential,then sight it in at 100 yards and figure that they are now ready for long range shots at game.In reality it takes a great deal of shooting to learn your cartridges trajectory and even more to develop and maintain the shooting skills necessary to accurately place bullet at distances out to500 yards.In fact far more shooting thana box or twoof ammunition per year.

James B

I agree at least 1000 percent. When I shot 500 Meter silhouettes I quickly learned about the forces that act on bullets at long range. When you talk real long range it takes a lot of practice plus unless you have wind flags about every 100 yards along the way, you have no real idea what the wind is 400 yards from where you are. I have watched the expert varmit shooters grouping their guns and sighting in for long range shoots. There on their table they have wind gauges and flags every 50 yards all the way out to the target. I have seen days when the wind at 500 yards was opposite from that of the bench. Air currents, humidity, tempature, elevation and wind all play a part in long range shooting. Thats before you even consider humane error, extreme velocity spread of you loads and anything mechanical that can happen. Last but not least the angle of the shot in unfamilar terrain must be considered as well. There is a hell of a difference in a 300 yard shot and a 600 yard shot. Add this to peoples ability to judge the range and the size of the animal. Well you can see where I am comming from. Most of us should think several times before attempting long range shots. For me 300 yards is long range when shooting at a game animal.

stevenrayspeck

i like the 243 or the 25-06.

buschy81

You are off to a great start doing all the research that you are. I own both a 7mm rem mag and an 30-06 (also a 270 but these are your choices here) In the size that you currently are "5'3" make sure the recoil is something you really take the time to consider. It will make or break a shot at any yardage if you are not ready for the recoil of a 7mmalthough an 06 is not dramatically less, but it is less, (as is the 270 from the 06). I have shot the 7mm for 12 years and when I was your age is when I bought it and developed a flinch from the recoil. It is something that I still work to over come on occasion. I shoot reasonable shots that reach 400 yards, have shot some farther out, but if the animal is that far away part of hunting is the chase in my opinion, so get to sneakin' and get closer. I really like the speed of the 7mm over the 06 takes some of the guessing out on shooting moving targets. I also like the knock down power (energy) of it I have never shot a deer with my 7 that made it 10 steps. The 06 has taken many deer as well and will likely do a fine job it has for many others including myself. I think you are in the right mindset with the bigger bore, the 25's don't have the knock down neccessary in my opinion to take large deer, althogh I am sure I will get argued with on that one. I have seen many good not great but good shots that have killed deer with the 06 and 7 that have (and I have been there) resulted in hours of tracking wounded deer with a .243. Just my opinion. I like the lesser recoil of the 06, and it is as accurate as my 7 without a doubt just does not hit as hard or as fast. I agree with the bolt as the way to go my 7is a winchester model 70 and my 06 is the benelli R1. I use the 06 mostly with accelerator bullets for coyotes where you shoot more than one at a time.Otherwise I would still just be shooting my 7mm, but that taresthem up somethingterrible. Hope some of this babble helped ya. Good luck.

Josh