Do we overthink this stuff?
09-25-2005 | 08:16 PM
#32
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RE: Do we overthink this stuff?
What ever happend to proper shot placement?
IMHO, nothing --- bullets through the vitalsare bullets through the vitals, still the same today.Some cartridges do more than others on their way "getting in there" and while they are "in there"and offer more ways for the hunter to "skin the cat" than others in terms of a wider selection of viable shot opportunities. Some folks may complain as they think that is cheating, but that is an ancient argument.
Remember, that in 1906 when the 30-06 came out there was similar b!tch!ing and moaning from a whole genre of black powder fans and even the "then only 11 years old" smokeless powder 30-30 affectionados! So complaining about the new stuff as being overkill and not needed is a fine and long established American tradition. Misguided but a fine heritage.
Why not embrace both the newer (the RUM's, the WSM's, the Lott, etc.) and the older (22LR, 30-06 (1906), 416Rigby (1911), 375 HH (1912) and all the great stuff in between . Create a well spaced rack of rifles by picking from which ever group you like according to the limitations you are willing to acceptand then match sufficiently strong tools to the "caliber" of the game being pursued and have at it....
It just can't beTHAT hard.
It is GOOD to have choices!
You don't have to buy it if you don't like it.
10-01-2005 | 03:44 PM
#33
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RE: Do we overthink this stuff?
ORIGINAL: ELKampMaster
No insult intended
Normally I edit my posts quite carefully, I originally had more clarifying language added on but it sure isn't there now. I just palin missed it.
I'll try to clarify....
22 years 8 deer per year = 176 deer. That is a lot of deer, even if it wasn't 8 every year. They appear to be taken on a prettyregular basis.
** After 22 years (and xxx deer) are you getting any itching to tackle something bigger/further away and was that perhapsthe reason you bought your 300WSM? (Question #1).
--OR--
** Were you merely guiled (as seems to be the current complaint within the thread) by peer pressure and marketing hype and those manipulative gun writers? (Question #2)
--OR--
** Something else? (Question #3)
When I see something which strikes me as "different" or unanswered in my mind; it is not beyond me to inquireso I might better appreciate thedifferent viewpoint. I am curious about your reversion to your childhood gun and what it is driven by....
**Whim?
**Nostalgia?
**Boredom?
**The quest for more challenge? (e.g. Lots of folks have given up rifles for archery --- one could always go to a lower performing rifle in a quest for more challenge.)
I've got my childhood 30-30 in the safe, but the odds of it ever working its way into the "pole position" on one of my Big Game hunts is slim and none (not even for a back up rifle). You seem to have a nice rack of well spaced rifles. Just curious.
No insult intended
Normally I edit my posts quite carefully, I originally had more clarifying language added on but it sure isn't there now. I just palin missed it.
I'll try to clarify....
22 years 8 deer per year = 176 deer. That is a lot of deer, even if it wasn't 8 every year. They appear to be taken on a prettyregular basis.
** After 22 years (and xxx deer) are you getting any itching to tackle something bigger/further away and was that perhapsthe reason you bought your 300WSM? (Question #1).
--OR--
** Were you merely guiled (as seems to be the current complaint within the thread) by peer pressure and marketing hype and those manipulative gun writers? (Question #2)
--OR--
** Something else? (Question #3)
When I see something which strikes me as "different" or unanswered in my mind; it is not beyond me to inquireso I might better appreciate thedifferent viewpoint. I am curious about your reversion to your childhood gun and what it is driven by....
**Whim?
**Nostalgia?
**Boredom?
**The quest for more challenge? (e.g. Lots of folks have given up rifles for archery --- one could always go to a lower performing rifle in a quest for more challenge.)
I've got my childhood 30-30 in the safe, but the odds of it ever working its way into the "pole position" on one of my Big Game hunts is slim and none (not even for a back up rifle). You seem to have a nice rack of well spaced rifles. Just curious.
Sorry for the slow reply, but we took a pretty good hit from Rita and just got all power and internet rehooked.
I have only killed about 85 deer andmany of those have been does under our management program.
My 300 WSM is a Virgin Valley/Mike Bellm Custom Encore, and I was "talked" into the caliber by the VVG guys. I have no regrets in "choosing" 300 WSM. I had been shooting a Ruger M77RL (ultra lite) 270 for many years and getting pounded. My barrel is a full bull, and the 300 WSM literally kicks like a 243 which is what I was going for. The range that I use only is only 300 yards, but I can shoot dime size groups at 300 yards on a still day. Long range shooting is not a problem. Long range shots where I hunt is a problem. I killed a deer in 2003 at 285 yards with my 300 that never new what hit him. I CAN do long range.
I don't want this to sound like a brag, but I believe I can kill a deer with any caliber. I saw someone mention shot placement. THAT is the key. My 30/30 is super accurate and will kill as well as my 300 WSM if the shot is good. My brother has shot a 22-250 for years and killed many deer with neck shots. I do bow hunt too but am not as "diehard" as many guys. If I can kill a deer with a stick and a string, a 30/30 sure ought to be enough. Plus, I like my Marlin 30/30 and enjoy carrying it.
10-01-2005 | 10:20 PM
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, butyes, it was killed on my families land in Alfalfa County Oklahoma. I saw 2 more last yearthat were not as massive but would score really close to what he did (178). I have high hopes for 2005. All 3 deer were killed on family land. I only lease 440 acres here in Texas that adjoins more family land.
10-02-2005 | 05:40 PM
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RE: Do we overthink this stuff?
Personally, I'm glad you guys overthink this stuff. It gives guys like me chance to hear many opinions from all over the country. I live in an area where hunting almost never comes up at the water cooler. If these threads didn't go on forever, I'd have nowhere else to listen to real hunters. To tell the truth, I've actually changed a couple of my opinions based on a good arguement from some of you. I say keep it friendly, and keep it up!!
10-03-2005 | 01:51 PM
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Its always a shame to loose game,when in the field.As besides being good table fare,we look forward to this each year,all of us!! using a bow or rifle its all down to placement with our shots and i,ve always been a big believer of that!! Practice is the key for all of us. Most don,t find,or have time to do so. Big country,in the last few years i use 223,with a 70gr speer bullet.It really works great.I have shot many deer with this and quite a few wild hogs.Got a deer last week end on opener with it again.Hope your luck will have a better direction next time and im sure you were sick to loose that animal as well as the rest of us! We all do belong ot the Spoon and Crockpot club though!!! see yah vangunsmith
10-03-2005 | 06:40 PM
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RE: Do we overthink this stuff?
Oh yea, I need some jerky meat/tenderloins, berger. But hey I redeemed myself last week. Nice 7pt. Bow still has contact issues. I can't keep hitting these deer on the high side of the lungs.
So I analyzed a 223 hole in a deer a freind shot last year. And couldn't believe the amount of damage it did. On your hog, where did you hit it? Do good damage? I hunted hogs this year, and they about ran me over. I missed with a bow, and finally doc holiday'd it with my trusty 44.
So I analyzed a 223 hole in a deer a freind shot last year. And couldn't believe the amount of damage it did. On your hog, where did you hit it? Do good damage? I hunted hogs this year, and they about ran me over. I missed with a bow, and finally doc holiday'd it with my trusty 44.
