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ORIGINAL: Hunter4life81 ORIGINAL: James B The example you used is as rare as chickens fangs. You will find darn few cases where the 30-06 has failed to kill almost any NA game. I have long ago lost track of the critters I have killed with the 30-06. I have yet to see ANY animal fairly hit in the vitals with a 30-06 that didn't give it up PDQ. In some rare cases strange things happen but it has nothing to do with cartridge size. How many people do you think in this country hunt deer with rifles way smaller than the 30-06? 243. 250 Savage, 260 6.5x55, 270, 280 7MM-08 7x57 Mauser, 30-30, 308, muzzle loaders and handguns? All these guns are smaller than the 30-06. Are you saying with a straight face that none of these are suitable deer rifles? Are you saying that nothing short of Mr. whiz bang Magnum + will take elk.? If so you better start doing a little research on hunting. Do you think that the entire buffalo herds in this country didn't die because the buffalo hunters didn't have any WSM's and Ultra Mags? Maybe they are all still alive just hiding in the bush laughing. Maybe all the big game taken with the 30-06 including Elk Moose and Grizzlies will come back to life and start kicking butt.:D (The second bold sentence) maybe......................... but i'm not saying it won;t kill an anmal like buffalos, elk or moose but what i'm sayin is what went threw my dads head well if that deer got away then what will happen to an elk if i get a long shot at it, b/c after taht he lost all faith in his old 30-06, yeah sure i will say he shot deer with that ol 30-06 but he lost all confidencein it,so what i'm sayin is that if you shot an elk3 times in the heart and lung area and you know that you hit it with all3 bullets and you never find that bull and you look at mountain say to the north of you and you see that same bull runing full speed uphill and you follow him for 5 miles, what are you going to say and are you going to be dissapointed, well yeah. but if you know for a fact that you hit him in his heart and lungs3 times your are going to blame it on your gun, so the next year you don't wanna have the same thing happen so you are going to bring something with a lot more punch. NOW I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE 300 WON'T KILL AN ELK I WAS JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE I'VE SEEN WHAT A 300 DOES TO ELK AT 300+ YARDS. Not all shots were as close. Louisville resident William Earnhart III placed two shots within inches at 400 yards with his .30-06 rifle to down a large 6x6 bull on opening day. i just took that from the kdfw site from this past year's elk hunt. so maybe your dad's elk was bulletproof or something. 3 shots in the heart??? how did the elk even run??? just curious. apparently the good ole '06 works for others and hasn't let me down with deer yet. the one i shot last year in ky dropped with one shot. |
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Damn the luck!!! I knew they shoulda left the grenade launcher on the ol 06 in case the 4 point charged em!!!
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:D
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ORIGINAL: Vapodog now 308 are being used as snipers B/C of its accuracy some branches of the service are using the .50 BMG as a sniper rifle and some are using the 7MM Rem Mag..... |
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This cartridge is better than that one. That cartridge won't kill this animal. yada, yada, yada.
Regardless of the cartridge being used, shot placement is fundemental. Don't like magnums, don't use 'em. Swear by 'em, use 'em. Personally, I don't as I have no confidence problems in the cartridges I have/use. I have no problems with magnums an understand that they most ertainly do have thier place. What gets me is when folks put down other cartridges w/o having any knowledge of them. I've found that these folks are usually the ame ones that own the magnums and know little about them. In atching them and listening to them it aslo seems many that "need" a magnum are using one to compensate for their shortcomings in the accuracy department. They're using that extra oomph when they made a poor shot. Have heard a hunter say he was upset 'cause his deer didn't drop after hit (magnum cartridge). Turns out it was an arse shot. Dosen't matter if you're using a .375 H7H magnum or a .30-30, shot placement is the critical factor. |
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Here, Here....Maine Shooter. You've said it all, in a nutshell.
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I knew there was some reason I sold my 30/06.It didn't work on heart shots.;)
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ORIGINAL: Hunter06FlKy ORIGINAL: Hunter4life81 ORIGINAL: James B The example you used is as rare as chickens fangs. You will find darn few cases where the 30-06 has failed to kill almost any NA game. I have long ago lost track of the critters I have killed with the 30-06. I have yet to see ANY animal fairly hit in the vitals with a 30-06 that didn't give it up PDQ. In some rare cases strange things happen but it has nothing to do with cartridge size. How many people do you think in this country hunt deer with rifles way smaller than the 30-06? 243. 250 Savage, 260 6.5x55, 270, 280 7MM-08 7x57 Mauser, 30-30, 308, muzzle loaders and handguns? All these guns are smaller than the 30-06. Are you saying with a straight face that none of these are suitable deer rifles? Are you saying that nothing short of Mr. whiz bang Magnum + will take elk.? If so you better start doing a little research on hunting. Do you think that the entire buffalo herds in this country didn't die because the buffalo hunters didn't have any WSM's and Ultra Mags? Maybe they are all still alive just hiding in the bush laughing. Maybe all the big game taken with the 30-06 including Elk Moose and Grizzlies will come back to life and start kicking butt.:D (The second bold sentence) maybe......................... but i'm not saying it won;t kill an anmal like buffalos, elk or moose but what i'm sayin is what went threw my dads head well if that deer got away then what will happen to an elk if i get a long shot at it, b/c after taht he lost all faith in his old 30-06, yeah sure i will say he shot deer with that ol 30-06 but he lost all confidencein it,so what i'm sayin is that if you shot an elk3 times in the heart and lung area and you know that you hit it with all3 bullets and you never find that bull and you look at mountain say to the north of you and you see that same bull runing full speed uphill and you follow him for 5 miles, what are you going to say and are you going to be dissapointed, well yeah. but if you know for a fact that you hit him in his heart and lungs3 times your are going to blame it on your gun, so the next year you don't wanna have the same thing happen so you are going to bring something with a lot more punch. NOW I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE 300 WON'T KILL AN ELK I WAS JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE I'VE SEEN WHAT A 300 DOES TO ELK AT 300+ YARDS. Not all shots were as close. Louisville resident William Earnhart III placed two shots within inches at 400 yards with his .30-06 rifle to down a large 6x6 bull on opening day. i just took that from the kdfw site from this past year's elk hunt. so maybe your dad's elk was bulletproof or something. 3 shots in the heart??? how did the elk even run??? just curious. apparently the good ole '06 works for others and hasn't let me down with deer yet. the one i shot last year in ky dropped with one shot. |
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ORIGINAL: Hunter4life81 Ain't that funny thats the reason my dad doesn't shot a 30-06 nemore, but he shot a a4x4 buck at 125 yrds and my uncle was looking threw a scope and he seen where the fur flew up in the air and it was in a well placed shot and they never found that deer and the following year my dad got him self a 300wm and he shot a 3x3 buck and killed it on the spot, so yeah you could say hewasa true blue 30-06 six fan till that happend. (and to add up to the top they shot him and he fell then he got back up a few minutes later and never found him) Now I have heard it all. A 30-06 is to small. Buwahahahahahaha Ahhhahahahahaaha! Whats yer daddy's choice of weapon for small game ? a .270 hahaha. |
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ORIGINAL: zrexpilot ORIGINAL: Hunter4life81 Ain't that funny thats the reason my dad doesn't shot a 30-06 nemore, but he shot a a4x4 buck at 125 yrds and my uncle was looking threw a scope and he seen where the fur flew up in the air and it was in a well placed shot and they never found that deer and the following year my dad got him self a 300wm and he shot a 3x3 buck and killed it on the spot, so yeah you could say hewasa true blue 30-06 six fan till that happend. (and to add up to the top they shot him and he fell then he got back up a few minutes later and never found him) Now I have heard it all. A 30-06 is to small. Buwahahahahahaha Ahhhahahahahaaha! zrex first they were saying a 243 was too small now a 30-06????? no seriously what is this world coming too???? |
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Indeed. 20mm Oerlikon guns are a bit heavy to lug around....I hope that we do not need to resort to those, just to successfully hunt Whitetail deer. They probably aren't very comfortable to carry all day....to say nothing about their awkwardness in heavy brush. :D :D :D.....
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ORIGINAL: Hunter06FlKy i know seriously. what is this world coming too????? zrex first they were saying a 243 was too small now a 30-06????? no seriously what is this world coming too???? To me a 30-06 is a big game rifle, elk , moose, bear etc. Thats the reason I dont own one, aint got none of them critters in Texas. |
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About 8 years ago...i purchased my 1st rifle. I remember exactly what i asked the gentleman behind the counter. I asked him what gun I could use to hunt most wild game in the north east of the country. gave me alot of choices. Out of those choices,I chose the all around, boring 30-06.Or as you would call "pansy gun". When i began researching this gun, not only did i find that it can take claim to harvesting more big game in north america than any other from the 1960's and prior , but that it was also very versatile as well. I found that you could load it with 55 grain accelerator bullets and shoot coyote. I could also load it with 150 - 180 grain and hunt any medium sized game in North America. And if i so chose i could load with even heavier bullet grains and kill large game like elk and moose. Or as the famous Jack connor said ( who is one of the better hunters of his era) he said ..." I have taken many grizzly bears with my 30- 06 . All i do is load them with 220 grain bullets and i would never doubt its ability. after all I have seen the majority of the bears i have takenwith particular round break through both shoulders and hit pay dirt on the other side." On top of researching its versatility,I was even more amazed when i took my "little" rifle to the gun club. I noticed after ashort period of practice, i was hitting the center of the target (an area about the size of a silver dollar) , and filling it with all 20 rounds from a box @ 155 yds. And what was more amazing than that was i did time after time and there were no straggler bullets that even went outside the area of a silver dollar. 1 year later my close friend and hunting partner purchased a 300 win mag. "Boy did he brag that gun up!!!!!!!" Oh boy, this gun can knock down mountain elephants at 900 yards. Oh boy the bullets come out at 3800 fps. With much anticipation, we went to the range. To be honest, i was kinda nervous. All the hype around these magnum cartriges, i thaught something miraculous was about to occur when he sat on the bench rest. I fired my first 2 boxes and let himproceed toshoot. I wimpered away with my tail between my legs as he pulled out the bullets. He fired his first shot. Wow!!!! was it loud. .......But much to my amazement....the boards holding the targets up were still standing and so were the trees and the dirt pile behind them!!!! I asked him how it was. He didnt say much and he acted a bit quiet. he fired the second shot. BOOM!!!!! but it hit the gravel 50 yards before the target....the same with the 3rd shot and the fourth and the 5th. then came the tree branches falling down over the targets ( which were 10 foot above it) bullets were hitting everything. ( this is with rifled sights too.) I was beginning to wonder if this brand new gun's barrel was bent. We inspected it, and to no avail found nothing wrong. he fired 3 boxes and not 1 bulet could break paper even from 50 yds away. the next year, he baught a scope for it. ( THE SAME MESS HAPPENED ALL OVER AGAIN) He baught another scope and got his patterns to a little larger than a paper plate @ 90 yds. Now the gun sits in my room .HE GAVE IT TO ME!!!! I will have you know, I own 31 long guns. They range from 22 mags. to 378 weatherby. I also will mention that most of them i can shoot half dollar size groups out to 150 yds. with. Including a 338 win mag. the 378 i can hit a tennis ball (consistantly) at that range and i have a couple 243s that i will hit quarter size groups all day long with. I will also let everyone know thati have shot about 5 deer with that 30- 06 and everyone of then it has destucted.I hit it in the vitals, and when we skin them, the whole rib cage on the exiting side is blown out and bone fragmets shoot into the front quarters and we lose alot of meat on every deer. now i have shot 12 whitetails with my shotgun in southern zone and none has had ruined meat. Now i use an even teenier gun to hunt up north with. I use my 243 and it does a fine job. And i have pretty good range with it too. So if you ask me.... I will never knock any magnum or big cartidge for that matter. ( I own and shoot plenty) But i will say this, I dont like standard vehicles...and why should i if they make automatics. If i dont need to use it, then why would I ? For the same reason street rodders like standard shift cars...( CUZ THEY SOUND GOOD) and for attention!!!!!!! And that is why people gotta use 300 win mags ( OR LARGER) for whitetail deer. So do ya need a 300 win mag to kill deer with? I dont think so. Not after what i have seen my 30 -06 do.AndI will never find out what my buddy's 300 win mag will do as far as damage to a deer (THATS CUZ HE WILL NEVER HIT ONE WITH IT IF HE TRIED) Thats why i believe in good shot placement over big hulking guns. Because while the guys are back at camp( polishing their mags)talking about the one that got away, i will be walking in with my teeny tiny .243 and a deer will be outside hanging from the rafters. (REMEMBER I DONT KNOCK ANY GUN FOR ANY SIZE) I just believe in a little thing called "OVER KILL" And I think it is done too much especially on North American medium sized game. Ill hunt my deer with a .243 anyday... write back and tell me about your squirrel hunts with a .416 rigby.
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Use the right bullet and the 30-06 will do no more meat damage than any other legal deer caliber. You need to use a tougher bullet if you are getting to much meat damage. Also shot placement is important if you wish to spare damaged meat. Use a 180 grain bullet and slow it down a bit and the results will be much better. I have shot probably 75 deer or so with the 30-06 and 308. To much velocity will cause a lot of bloodshot meat. Of course meat damage is a relative term.
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very very well said buckstalker!!! :)i agree with you completely!!!:D
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I WILL DEFINATELY TRY A HEAVIER BULLET FOR MY 30-06. THAT IS WHAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME. I WILL TRY 180 GRAINS THIS TIME. BECAUSE MY SHOT PLACEMENT IN NOT OFF AT ALL. ITS LIKE ONCE THE BULLET ENTERS THE CHEST CAVITY IT BOUNCES AROUND EVERYWHERE. THANKS FOR THE INFO JAMES.
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[1] the right bullet is very important like a 150gr.REMINGTON "PREMIER SCIROCCO BONDED" why shoot a 180 gr and loose ur ballistic ..[2] shot placement is very important ,a bullet through the rib cage will collaps both lungs , no meat loss there ,and NEVER EVER SHOOT INTO THE SHOULDER .
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It's curious how two examples of the 06 failing on deer turns into ALL MAGNUM HUNTERS THINK THE06 IS'NT BIG ENOUGH FOR DEER. Especially in light of the fact that one of the examples said it wasn't just the caliber.Gimmea break! THAT is exactly what red was talking about when he started this thread, you cant handle the mags so anyone who can and does is an idiot?!? not a very productive attitude.VERY few people (that includes the magnum crowd)will say that the 06 is'nt enough for deer.
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O BOY ..let it be said that the 30-06 is more than enough for deer ..i bought my REMINGTON 700 in 1977 and let me tell u the only moose,bear,caribou and deer that walked away from me were bad shots on my part ...last year i bought my 300wsm for my personel satisfaction .not because the 30-06 wasn't powerful enough ..
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