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Good technical points have been made here on both sides of the issue. No one is "wrong" for the choices they make in this regard, as long as the chosen equipment will get the job done. Those that prefer magnums....have a perfect right to do so. They are not stupid or irresponsible, just for that choice. By the same logic, those that prefer standard cartridges are not necessarily "girlie men", or fools. None of us has the right to judge the other, based solely on such matters. Personally, I admire the individual who can make a good, well-placed 400 yard shot. I also admire the individual who is able to stalk to less than 100 yards. Neither of these individuals deserve to be ridiculed for their chosen style of hunting.

If RedAllison enjoys his Lazzeroni Warbird and it works for him.... more power to him. If Todd1700 prefers a .30/06 (or whatever)...and it works for him.... that is equally good. There is NO one "best" solution for ALL circumstances. On that, I think most of us agree. So, why not just deal with the fact that we have different preferences....respect each other's choices....and let it go ?

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haugenna, man you really should quit that crackcocaine. Its really affecting your mind. Venison is delicious. Not shot up with Steroids, low fat. Man, check yourself into a program. Your on a basic sportmans forum.

Check around to the high end restraunts. A venison dinner at Kincaids in Burlingame, CA, cost over 50 dollars.

A venison loin dinner at a french restraunt at Rudy's in finksburg, MD runs well over 40 dollars.

I know cause when I travel on the company dime, I always go to the place with vension and gamebird recipies. I like to compare mine with them. go to the sizzler for your beef.

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BigCountry.....home raised Iowa beef is not shot up with steriods. They are raised with yellow corn and lots of love. Most hunters on here don't have the ability to prepare a Rudys or Kincaides type of meal. You honestly think the venision you at at Rudys and Kincaides was free range. LOL. They were probably raised like cattle.

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Yes they was raised just like cattle. Its FDA rules. They couldn't buy it off me. Whats your point?

Buttttttt, my vension dishes are much better than beef. But I have been eating it since a tike. Once you get used to it, Beef is very greasyand may even give your a uneasy feeling. I still like a good ole ribeye, here and there.4th of July, Labor day. But it doesn't compare to my venison dinners. Very lean and has a very nice particular taste all its own. Try some sometime, you too might learn to enjoy it. Or may be live longer, who knows.

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Now I would say. There is soemthing I love more than Venison, elk, moose, or beef steak. And thats some good southern pulled swine. Right behind that, a good beef brisket cooked for ~17 hours in a smoker until it falls apart is hard to beat.

Man ole man, I am hungry.

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I agree haugenna. I've never had deer that compared to a nicely marbled porterhouse steak.

Beef rules baby!!!

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No way is your venison dishes better than a good porterhouse. Those dishes at Rudys are home raised....your free range deer is gamey and doesn't hold a candle to quality of deer meat Rudy's uses or beef for that matter, plus it stinks when you cook it, it dries easily and it is tougher than boiled owl. Heck Rudy's doesn't even have venison on their online menu. If you love venison much more than beef then you are an exception rather than the norm.

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Rudy's only has there game dishes twice a year.

Man, all I can say, is you never had a Deer from the Eastern Shore of MD strickly dieting on corn and soy beans.

I know the deer you are talking about. I hunted WV and Eastern Ky most of my life. Mountain deer. What alot of people don't realize is acorns give deer meat a very wild smell.

I have to admit, its hard for me to eat a WV deer now after moving to MD 8 years ago. I eat 4-6 a year by myself. So must be doing something right.

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BC.
send me your recipes cuz i do keep some of the backstraps for grilling with the boys.and pork is my second choice to beef so i have to agree with you on that. I make most of the deer into jerky and summer sausages but would entertain the backstraps for your recipe if it is a good as you say it is.

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Iowa deer feast on corn and soybeans.... and a little alfalfa.

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Here's one I love. Even the city MD girls I have dated loves this. Its out of the kill it grill it nug book.

Venison Strog
2lbs backstraps cut into small strips
4 tablespoons butter (I like 6)
1cup mushrooms
1cup sour cream
1 cube beef bullion
1 good dash of curry powder
1 heavy dash of garlic powder
2/3 cup water (some use 1/3 cup red wine)
1 envelope of limpton onion soup mix
Noodles or rice


Heat the butter and mushrooms real hot in a nice heavy cast skillet
Dump in the 1-2lbs of deer strips and brown stirring around
When browned cut the heat to medium and add the water
add everything but the sour cream. Your going to have to experiment with the curry powder. I like two good dashes
I like to cook on medium or lower for 15-20 min while my noodles is boiling
Add the sour cream and cook another 2 min.

Pour over the noodles

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Presidents stew
2 lbs of stew meat cubed 1/2 by 1/2"
3 cans of cream of mushroom
1 can golden mushroom
1 cup of mushrooms
1 envelope of onion soup mix

Put in a crock pot for 10 hourson low an pour over a heap of mashed tators.

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A perfectly good name callin', accusation throwin' post
turns into a recipe exchange. Not sure what to make of
it, but sounds tasty. Thanks.

PKnTX

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lmao PK, that's exactly what I was thinkin. I was simply bringin up a point about bein rediculed everytime I respond about mags and a 6pg post ends up with beef vs venison and recipes. It looks too me like as a group, we hunters have a large population in our midst that is ADD! :D

Besides everyone knows that elk is better than beef OR venison!!! ;)
RA

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I'm an unabashed magnum fan. I've always said that my favorite rifle is my Sako in 300 WBY. I can shoot this rifle better than any rifle I have ever shot. It kicks; so what? I'm 6' 5" 292 so it doesn't hurt me. It's overkill on deer; so what? When I shoot something, I only need one shot regardless of caliber.

I used to shoot a 7mmRem. Magnum also. Only reasonI don't anymore is that I soldthat rifle and haven't bought another to replace it. Like the guy said when I asked if I could shoot a magnum on his range "I don't mind, if you don't mind".

It's almost like everyone is too PC to admit that they like things that make a lot of racket and destroy whatever is in their path. I don't.In the words of a guy I hunted with one time, when I asked why he was hunting mule deer with a 30/378 WbY; his reply was " because I can". ;)

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Same here!:D:D:D Now, all of a sudden, I feel hungry. I think I'll throw a couple burgers and some beef sausages on the grill. Hope nobody shows up, not sure if there will be enough for anybody else.

BTW, Texas beef is superior to Texas venison. The beef I raise is not exposed to steroids, and usually doesn't eat those nasty acorns.

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Imo the finest meats in the world (not that I've tried them all) is:
1. Walleye cheeks
2. Fresh Lobster
3. Venison loins fresh wrapped in bacon and grilled
4. Eland steaks fresh grilled
5. Beef steaks

I love a good Porterhouse but it's a ways down the line when it comes to superb delacacies.

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I didn't read every answer, but i sure got a kick out of this quote!! hahahaa

Another classic case of NOT useing a "bullet" to do the job that YOU wanted done, then blameing the cartridge!!!

Happens all the time,

Drilling Man

PS, the "exact" same bullet at an even HIGHER velocity (read magnum) = an even "bigger" falure to penentrate deep!!! (assumeing a std. expanding bullet was used)

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Where I hunt the deer are raised on 100 percent grain and there is no Gamey taste whatsoever. I am having chicken fried deer steak in about 30 minutes. :). I took eight Muley does last season and its all great. I like it at least as well as beef although I enjoy a change. Moose and Elkk are good too it they have a good food source. Old moose is about the worst I have eaten. Old 62 inch bull. Most of it was not fit to eat. Got a young cow last year. GREAT!!!!

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I've heard that Cape Buffalo is actually quite tasty. I have never had the pleasure...and probably never will...(and I'm probably not brave enough to hunt them anyway).


Vapodog,
Really....I didn't know that Walleye HAD cheeks. Do they have lips, too ?

(Sorry...I couldn't resist !)

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Walleye cheeks are ok, but personally I think chicken lips are MUCH better!!! Typically, when I shoot chickens with my magnums, the lips are all I can find.

x
RA

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Young Cape Buffalo is good. All the Walleye is great. In fact I never met a fish i didn't like, as long as I am caring for them from the catch to the skillet. Pheasant is another favorite having been raised in SD.

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No lips....just cheeks and they're nothing like anything you ever ate in the world. The Walleye must be about four pounds and larger to get a good piece of cheek meat but it's absolutely delicious. Thisa is no joke...it's for real.

Red Allison, when I shoot chickens with the .30-06 even the lips are missing. There's usually just a little red mist on a snow colored background left.

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In a grocery store in San Antonio Tx I once saw a
package of chicken butts. Wonder what the heck
they shot those birds with.

PKnTX

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Thats too bad cause theres nuthin like a mess of fried chicken lips!
About the magnums, I will take one if someone wants to gimme one, too expensive too shoot for the likes of me. EJ

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Walleye cheeks are amazingly delicious.

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Yeah, I found that post a littlefunnyas well. If you can't kill an elk with a 30-06 then you need to take a long hard look at the particular bullet you are using. Was it a 125 grain ballistic tip or something? There isnothing on the North American continent with the exception of the large dangerous bears that I would feel under gunned hunting with a 30-06 and a good well constructed 180 grain bullet likea Trophy Bonded Bearclaw, Swift A-frame or Barnes X-bullet.Any of those30-06 roundswould be hot death on the biggest elk or moosethat ever lived. They would also no doubt consistently kill even the large bears but a larger more powerful round would be desirable if it came to stopping a charge.

I also found your responce to this guy about penetration funny as well. And you are absolutely right. There is a common misconception that higher velocity magnums equal deeper penetration when in fact: (Higher velocity mags = higher velocity bullet impacts on game) (Higher velocity impacts = more rapid bullet expansion) (Rapid bullet expansion = rapid decelleration due to the hugely increased frontal area of the bullet) (Rapid decelleration = less penetration)

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Talk about a switch of subject

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I'll change the subject again. For a couple of years in college I lived on chicken gizzards mixed with stir-fry mix (frozen). The cheapest thing I could find. Gave me more money to buy Jim Bean and Coke to wash it down with.;)

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From Magnumitis to Walleye cheeks and chicken gizzards is a bit of a switch.:D. I will change it back. From what I have read here it sounds like Magnum fans have more problems with people who don't use them than the other way around. Many Non Magnum cartridges have plenty of power and flat trajectory to make them as good of performers as their magnum big brothers. An animal hit with a 30 caliber bullet going along at 2700-2800 FPS really gives up very little to the same bullet going 2900-3100 fps. On paper the difference is easy to see but in the field on big game, the difference matters little. Big bears and such can be taken with the 300 RUM, the same beasts have been taken with the 30-40 Krag and the 30-30 and 35 Remington. Therefore the choice is up to the hunter. If the cartridge is legal for the game being hunted and has been proven over many years to be effective then use it. I catch as much crap over recommending the so called sissy cartridges as the magnum fans do for choosing there weapon. The 30-06 with 180-250 grain bullets has taken every species of big game on earth. That does not mean its the perfect gun for everything but iit will dispatch of a Cape buffalo in short order and will do the same to an elk or moose. The SD and BC of a good 30 caliber bullet makes it a good choice for a wide variety of big game regardless of which class of rifle that its fired from. That with velocity from 2000 FPS in the case of the 30-40 Krag, to nearly twice that speed from the 30-378 Weatherby, Within the range of each, the results will be the same. Its up to the hunter to do his part and no weapon makes a man a hunter. To the guy who wants the extra velocity, many companies build magnum rifles. For those who prefer less blast and recoil but still wants to hunt the big game, the calibers like the 45-70, 270-280, 308, and 30-06 will do the job if the hunter does his job. I have seen the old 30-40 Krag with its 220 grain bullet chugging along at 2000-2100 fps take moose and bears and even much bigger game.

Take your pick and remember that the bullet still has to hit the right spot or all else matters not one bit.:D

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Your joking right? I have yet to see someone post on this forum they use a 30-06, 270win, 7mm-08, 308, on deer and have anybody post after that, that they need to change calibers or any negative posts. But sure have seen it the other way around.

And brother, your usually the ringleader.:D

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bigcountry,

Thank you for pointing that out. You are absolutely correct. I have yet to see magnum fans deride standard calibers, but have as you said, seen it the other way. Maybe they have some sort of envy that their cartridges or something elseisn't longer? ;)

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You know James B, I still like ya though.

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Shoot I like venison so much more than beef I don't even marinate it or cook it with anything. Just some light olive oil in the pan and leave it pretty bloody for me. And venison chilli. Don't even get me started.

You don't see venision more often in restaurants because of the meat yield. Low yield, increased cost.

Tom

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Everybody has thier pref. But I am just sitting here amazed that on a hunting page with "outdoorsman", that some would say it stinks and is tough. Isn't this rather shocking to some?

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B.C. I don’t find it shocking at all. Some like to go for the sport and the chance to get out of the hustle and bustle of the city and hunting is the way to do it with friends. They may not like the meat and might like to give it away. I know of a few hunters like that. Others will go for the meat. Either way is fine with me.;)

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I have always liked venison. I have always ESPECIALLY liked Elk....that's good stuff ! Many people just find it too "gamy" or "earthy" tasting. To each his/ her own. I look at it this way...if someone doesn't like venison (any particular wild game)....that's just more for me.

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I don't think you could pry my butt out the door on a 20 degree day without the hope of getting grub.

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When I go hunting, it’s to get away and the colder the better . If I get something, it’s a bonus and if I don’t, it was still a good day.

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Many many times if you recommend a standard cartridge you will get the old story about how the 270 or 30-06 will just wound game like elk and moose and other than DM you won't see many others considering the 30-06 for Grizzly. The 270 and 30-06 fall out of the running for most when Elk are in the picture even though they are two of the better cartridges available for that work. I have caught a lot of flack for using the non Magnums for game bigger than tiny whittails.:D. Thats ok though because I have been using the 30-06 all over hell since 1956 and unlike some, I know what it will do. I havn't seen much it won't do though. Same for the 270. Its not like I havn't tried most of the Magnum cartridges as well. I had the Magnum bug for a while. Now that I have used them both a lot, I have gone back to the old standards.Like Me.:D:D.

A lot of people who don't like venison are the same people that drag fish around the lake all day on a stringer on the surface in the sun and say that fish stink and don't taste good. NO LIE?