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North America = 1 gun ........300 Ultra ....nothing else needed!!:D

*and yes Bigcountry, I got in this late, but I would have said "You only carry that darn slug gun anyway"!!!!:D

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Mossy, I can't take any of your post seriously with Rick James up there. I am sorry man.:D:D

I think all member should email mossy and demand he changes his picture.

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I guess I am just lazy but most of the time I put the deer burger in the George Foreman salt it and eat it....I dont have the patience for all these exquisite recipes.:DYes I do use the Magnum version of the Foreman grill!! [8D]

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Some of these answers go back a few pages. I was gonna adress the point that was made that the magnum guys are as bad as the anti-magnum guys. I disageePARTIALLY. The anti-mag guys bitch and name call EVERY SINGLE time a mag is mentioned.I dont recall a mag lover EVER raiseing hell about useing standard calibers on deer sized game. When it comes to elk and the lower end standard calibers(270 25-06ect...I cant recall a mag lover ever saying that a 30-06 is worthless or inadequate for elk, some have said that they preferr bigger, but not that the 06 WONT do.) the mag loversARE as bad. The thing that kills me is when guys say the MAGNUM CALIBERS are no more effective than the standards. COME ON.... the shooters may not be as effective w/ a magnum, but that is not the caliber not perfroming, thats the shooter. Any comment about the smaller calibers being as effective needs to be qualified w/a comment about the shooter not being able to handle thecaliber. I catch hell both ways, I have my wife and kids shooting 6mm (which James B ,whos oppinions i do respect, keeps telling me are an inferior caliber:D), while I shoot the 300win. mag. Bottom line, if your hunting big and tough animals like elk the 6mm is better than the 243, the 25-06 is better than the 6mm, the 270 is better than the 25-06, the 280 or 7mag are better than the 270, the30-06 is better than the 280or 7mag, the 300mags are better than the 06, ....ect. The real issue is whether yourresponsible enough to know your limits. If you cant handle recoil very well, just say so use a 280, no problem, youdang sure dont want to use a 338 ultra mag. But dont go on about how the 280 is just as good a performer as the 338RUM. TheCOMBINATION ofYOU and the 280 are better suited to hunting elk than areYOU and the 338RUM.The coment about the 20 hunters w/ standard calibers VS 20 magnums is ignorant at best. Come out west and me, BBJ,And red will take you on with our deer wounding magnums. James B - the point I was makeing about the# of woundeddeer by caliber was based on the number people useing those calibers. The more popular a caliber is the more slobs your gonna get useing it, not thatany caliber is inherently a deer wounder.

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I don't put any fat in my ground venision. I just cook it to medium rare. If it doesn't stick together put an egg white in it or the whole egg.

Mossy - The Rick James thing is hilarious. Keep it.

Tom

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I'm fixin' to go home and eat some deer venison barbeque. My German/Yankee wife can do anything with venison.:D

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I am not sure that within reason I consider any caliber inferior. I have seen as a guide, a lot of deer wounded with the 243. However just as elk are wounded with 30-06 and 300 win Mags, it not the caliber as a rule.. I have hit deer and bigger critters at times with the 300 Win Mag and had them drop in their tracks just as I have seen my wife kill every deer she has taken with one shot from her 250 Savage. I have hit deer with the 300 Win mag that ran just as they did when hit with any other cartridge. A heart shot with any caliber is apt to leave the critter with the ability to run a 100 yards or so. There is a difference to be sure between a 30-06 and a 300 Win Mag. However, they shoot the same bullet and depending on the load, there may be very little difference. Sometimes as little as 100 fps. In those cases I on't expect to see much difference in performance. Likewise as a long time shooter of the 300 Win Mag, I have seen very little difference in the performance of the 180 grain bullet driven 300 fps fastet than the 30-06 given good shot placement. This is a must with either caliber. There is of course more difference when you compare the 30-06 or 308 to the 30-378 Weatherby. However, and this is where my disagreement sometimes starts. There is a cartain level of performance that I deem a must for certain situations. Now you can have more than you need without a problem but I am of the mind that you can have enough without going to the excess. More is not always better to me and thats where I differ from many others. Just as I believe that there is almost never a case when the margin of error pays off. A poor hit with any caliber is just that. A poor hit a wounded animal is the result. Then it comes down to many who shoot to far in some terrain, have almost no chance of recovering the animal. I have seen guys take shots across canyons that would take them several hours to get to the animal if they did hit it well. This is not just a magnum problem. Again its a hunter problem

To much velocity is as bad as not enough when it comes to bullet performance but many don't give a thought to that. Just velocity. I have many examples of this but it would take pages to get accross and while some understand what I mean, others will never see the light. I don't disagree much with what NV Mike has said.;). I am no stranger to shooting the magnum rifles. I can now set back and see both sides very clearly.

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yeah, I hear ya James, I would rather trail elk for you w/ handloaded 06, :Dthan 90% of the Joes out there w/ factory loads in a 300win. mag[:o]. Did you ever get my PM with my questions about the various 6.5mm's and 7mm's. Also could a 280rem be loaded light to start w/ until the kid gets a bit bigger? If so he may never need to go any bigger.

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I had several friends who took 300 Win. Mag. cases and necked them up to .375. I'm not sure why, as i never liked that wildcat. Anyway, i always said .375 bullets need to be 270 grain of heavier to get decent penetration in bigger game, and then you need a fairly big charge or powder to make that heavy bullet perform and along with all that comes the recoil.

One of my friends shot a moose with his quartering away at about 200 yards. The bull ran off, but bled out and died. When my friend quartered it he found his 270 grain bullet stuck in the brisket and i think you could have reloaded it again, only the little bit of lead on the tip was missing!!! All it had hit was some rib bone and went to the brisket not haveing penentrated more than 12" in all!

Where am i going with all this? Well, i'll say what "you said" only in another way. Bullets are designed with a certain speed in mine, go over that and they expand too fast, go below it and they don't expand at all. Why guys don't understand that, i have no idea???

Drilling Man

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NVMIKE. No I didn't get your message. I don't know what happened there. You could give it another try. I can comment on what you asked here though. I have not loaded the 280 down with heavier bullets but the load I like for deer with the 280 is the 120 grain Sierra Pro Hunter bullet @ about 2700-2800 fps. That load is about 25-06 level for recoil. The 7MM-08 is a fine caliber for young shooters and while I have not reloded a lot of ammo for it, the factory 140 Corlokt ammo performs well and is pretty easy on my bad shoulder. I have had a couple 260's and it shares the same qualities as the 7mm-08. The recoil is about the same. I like the 120 grain Ballistic tip best for this caliber for deer. The 140 X bullet if it shoots well is a real elk load for the 7mm-08 and the 260. It should be about the same as the 260 but I find that the bestof the best low recoil yet very effective calibers is the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. While these rifles are not as easy to find, they just outperform their paper ballistics by miles. I started out loading the 140 grain Hornady spire point in my first Swede and it grouped 5/8 inch at 100 yards. That about ended my load development for that rifle. It is so effective on big game that you would swear that it was twice as big a caliber than it is. You hit a big game animal anywhere in the vitals and its over. My 6.5's are all military rifles which are pretty heavy but the recoil is almost nil. I had one in the 700 Classic for a while. It had a bit more recoil but still not bad. You probably can't find a 250 Savage anymore but as a low recoil deer rifle, it hard to beat. I got one for my wife in the 700 classic the year it came out and it was love at first shot. We both love that rifle and with 100 grain Ballistic tips it does a fantastic job on deer. I would not push the issue and try it for elk but I agree with Jim Carmichael in a recent artical where he names the 250 Savage as his favorite deer rifle. This one has no recoil yet for me has made the 243 look pretty sick. I know it shouldn't but the 100 grain bullet with a bit lower SD that the 243 and a bit less velocity has just worked better for mulies than my 6mm's ever did. The best 243 load I ever used was the old 90 grain semi spitzer partition from Nosler. I don't know if they make it anymore as I pretty well quit on the 243. Sorry ZX.;)

If you try the 7mm-08, try the 130 grain Speer hot core. I found it a bit fragil for full speed 280 use(meat destruction,bad). but at lower speeds in the 7mm-08, I think it would work very well. I have some loaded but have not tried them on deer yet. The didn't group real well in my current 7mm-08. It loves 140 corlokts as well. This one is the NEF youth model which fits my bad shoulder better that a long stock. You can start outwith youth models then just get the full length stock for almost nothing from NEF. My current 280 is also an NEF. I have ownedthe 7mm-08 caliber in the 700 BDL and the Browning BLR. I don't care for the newer lightweight BLR's.

You are correct in that the 280 would make a great one rifle battery for NA. It is very versitile. I have a friend who has countless dozens of rifles but now days his 280 is about all he ever drags out of the dungeon. Its a Browning a-bolt with a Shepard range finder scope. Does that combo ever work. His next favorite is the Browning Semi Auto in 308. That one soaks the recoil up pretty good although some lightweight 308's like my Lightweight Stalker can recoil pretty hard.