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Old 01-07-2017, 02:43 PM
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Looking to buy either a long range muzzle loader or a shotgun with a rifled barrel. I have heard that there are some that are accurate out to 300 yards but I have not been able to locate anything. I would like to keep the price under $1000 with scope if possible.
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Old 01-07-2017, 05:30 PM
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As far as a muzzleloader out to 300 yards goes, you are pretty much getting into smokeless capable muzzleloader ranges. Past 250 with Black powder or BP Subs such as BH209 you are getting awful weak on speed. Just not as much energy as one should have at 300 yards to CONSISTENTLY penetrate bone and muscle.

There are a few options that are smokeless rated (meaning you can use smokeless powders) but you are not going to find many, if any, that are in your price range. Most of them would be over $1000 just for the rifle alone.

Or, if you have something like a Savage 10, TC Encore, CVA Accura, Rem 700, you can have either a barrel made (TC, CVA) or have it converted to a smokeless MLer (Savage, Rem 700) with a barrel and different bolt. If you already have the platform (rifle) then you MAY be able to squeak into your price range. Can definitely come in to it with the TC or CVA since all you need for them is a barrel.

Now the rifled shotguns, out to 300 you are looking at a dedicated slugger NOT a shotgun with rifled barrel conversion thrown on it. Those are fairly accurate but not the best in the world. The Savage 220 or 212 (20 gauge and 12 gauge) is about the best dedicated slug gun on the market and falls well within your price range. Around 650-750 for the gun leaving around 250-350 for a decent quality scope.
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:47 AM
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you may want to look into a tradition firearms muzzleloader called the striker fire ldr long distance rifle has a 30" barrel with a traditions range finding scope will run you between 550 to 650 i have one & took a nice buck [email protected] 285 yrds & ran less than 30 yrds. look at one @ muzzle-loaders.com or on line @ traditions.com hope that helps. took a nice doe [email protected] 150 yrds & never ran
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Old 01-08-2017, 03:59 AM
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Just over your budget with out a scope from the factory is the New Remington 700, formally the Johnson rifle.


https://www.remington.com/rifles/muzzleloading


Cabel's has it for $950.00


Gander Mountain has it at $810.00 with a Peep sight.


Sportsman warehouse $800 to $849.


May be other deals around so do your shopping.


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Old 01-08-2017, 04:28 PM
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Worth looking at if you want to go long ...........................


https://www.gunwerks.com/store/rifle...26-c2-t0-a0-r0
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Old 01-08-2017, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
Worth looking at if you want to go long ...........................


https://www.gunwerks.com/store/rifle...26-c2-t0-a0-r0
Bout 6x out of his price range der Sheridan
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:00 PM
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$1000 would be hard but a smokeless 45 is easily doable for under $1500. One of the newer higher BC bullets for sabotless smokeless will help a little too.

When the Savage MLII could be found for around $500-600 all you needed was a 45cal barrel and a sizing die. Mine has no problem sending a 275gr bullet down range at 2700fps or more. Those barrels still cost from around $400-500 but a MLII now is really pricey.

The least expensive way atm is converting a break action 45/70 to a smokeless 45cal ML. They will easily send a 200gr sabotted bullet down range at over 2500fps and sabotless about the same speed.

Recoil can get pretty brisk on these lighter weight break action conversions and you would be working with a OEM barrel. In most cases though they would be a 300 yard capable rifle. 200 yards pretty easily.

CVA Apex 45/70 if you can still find one ....about $550
Breach plug and labor....around $200
Sizing die.....around $140

CVA Scout V2 45/70...around $350 but the barrel is only 22"
CVA Hunter 45/70 25" barrel.....around $250 or slightly less.

Here is a video of this type of conversion. The LRMP conversion cost more, about $300. 60gr of 4198 and a 275gr bullet will give you about 2500fps.

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Old 01-09-2017, 04:00 PM
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If you already own an 870 just buy a barrel for it. With a lot of states like Indiana opening up to rifles after always being restricted to shot guns, there's a lot of them for sale.
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by alleyyooper View Post
Just over your budget with out a scope from the factory is the New Remington 700, formally the Johnson rifle.


https://www.remington.com/rifles/muzzleloading


Cabel's has it for $950.00


Gander Mountain has it at $810.00 with a Peep sight.


Sportsman warehouse $800 to $849.


May be other deals around so do your shopping.


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Part timer at the local gun shop just got one of these, he was telling me about it last week.

Selling his Savage smokeless in the shop to finance it, OP....
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:59 PM
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The main problem with the RUML is you are more or less locked into pellets. You can use loose Triple7 and Pyrodex but you wont see the same performance. Blackhorn209 is not approved by Remington yet and can damage the breach plug if you are not careful.

A Savage MLII with a 45cal barrel will destroy the RUML in every way possible in performance. Even the Johnston Ultimate is no longer competing well against the sabotless 45s at inline events and those rifles are using Blackhorn209 instead of smokeless.

I got $900 in my Savage with a Pacnor 45 super match grade 1-22 twist. Not including stock upgrade or scope but you sure cant put one together for that anymore....Unless you already have a MLII or Savage/Stevens short action rifle.
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