Has any one have a idea what a savage 10ml cost.Is this smokeless gun as good as i hear. Rich

450-650 depending on finish. I have played with them for a number of years and finally bought one this spring for myself. Mine is a SS/Synthetic scoped and groups MOA at 100/200 yards. If doing it over again I would have waited till I could have gotten the laminate stock or would have bought the cheaper blued and then added an laminate stock. My reasons are:
1)Synthetic stock is very flexible
( I hawged out the forearm portion with a dremel tool to eliminate stock touch along the barrel channel - simple procedure but I don't like the flimsy feel of the savage plastic stock)

2) Balance. 10II is front heavy so the added weight of the laminate would combat this to offer slightly better balance. It also would help a little in felt recoil but only if your planning to shoot the heavier loads. With shooting reccomended loads it doesn't make a hill of difference as they are very mild interms of the push.

My bore had a few rough spots upon unpacking the grease, so I hand lapped it with JB bore paste. I also have a slightly tighter bore than some and use MMP HPH24 sabots to lessen the loaded grunt required. The gun still shootok with the HPH 12's but would throw the odd flyer on me, when the sabot would catch and corkscrew down upon seating.In my 10II the fed 209A would stick every 5th shot or so, so I moved went with the 209W instead.

I found my 10II very accomidating to finding a good load I had several to choose from but ended up going with 43.5 gr of 4759/250SST/209W primer. This load produced an average of 2365FPS and 3/4" groups at 100 yards. I used it to harvest 3 deer this fall. Shot were broadsides closest 97yards to 212 yards. They all produced deer down within a few steps and 2 holes, with nothing inbetween.

As far as the cleaning aspect 30 shots without touching and still hitting bang on. I never touched mine for the 2 months I used it to hunt with here and the final unload wasthe deer at 212 yards, dead smack into both lungs!!

My impressions of the gun are it is a fine ML, built very well and shoots.Smokeless benefit is undeniable - less recoil, fast, no smoke,care, etc. ThingsI don't like the AT(accutrigger), synth.stock or the need to have to loosen the rear action screw to attend to the breech by way of the factory design(an aftermarket tool called the ez tool RV eliminates this process though and worth the investment). It has some quirks but what ML doesn't!

Here are a couple links to boards that havemore info on the Savage and smokeless Mling.

http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi

http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/phpBB/index.php

Skeeter is correct on what he says. The Savage 10ML-II is the best major manufactured ML hands down. Skeeter is right about the price range.
I have a 10ML-II, stainless with a black synthetic stock. The stock is very flimsey like Skeeter reported, butit has not affected accuarcy for me. I have commonly shot the say load that skeeter reports, but have used other powders like IMR 4198.
You can reallly work up/build a variety of loads for the Savage that will give you centerfire rifle like performance. A few of the more dedicatedsavage/SMI shooters have developed loads getting around 3,000 fps.
The 10ML-II is fantastic and I am planning to usemine for rifle season this next year.
Take a look at Dougsmessageboard, as skeeter gave you the link. It is an awesome site for anything related to the 10ML-II.
I would recommend the savage to anyone wanting a very good ML, that will shoot smokeless "completely safe" and also give you the option of shooting777, etc if desired.

Good luck

I have to agree with the others. I got mine over the summer worked up a load and shot two does with it and neither one took another step. Mine is a SS with a synthetic stock which i am going to replace this summer. I would buy another MLII in a heart beat!

Thanks guys