ranger56528

or due some of you guys/gals go thru the same thing,what Iam trying to say is when it comes to Bows i.e Trad(as you see it),compound,crossbows I have no issues.My bows are set up pretty much with in a hour or so after I buy one,I have arrows flying right on and dont need to do any changeing of anything or tweeking everything is set just right.and I have no shooting form issues.....I dont need to tinker with arrow weight,brace hight,rests,sites,cams or strings.Everything is just there for me...granted I'am like few of you that have bowhunted forover 20 yrs and have my needs down to a tee.I just go out and shoot my targets and everthing just falls in place......SO is it the speed freeks that have most of the issues or is it just people that justdont understand arrow flight.......OR is it that Ivebeen shooting bow long enough that it isjust a givin/natural thing to understand the pincibles of shooting the bow.....If it is'nt broke way try to fix it......

Just something thats been on my mind for a long time.....

KLS

I imagine that alot of people dont understand and/or have the knowledge need to be able to put together a setupwithout at least some tinkering to get it right, but in my case its more or less curiousity, and the enjoyment of tinkering, I guess you could even call it a hobby

I agree that if you know the basics of arrow setup that it really shouldnt take that long to put a setup together that works good, and I agree with the point of "dont fix what isnt broke" and in general I dont, but I personally like to tinker beyond what is presently working, just to see... but until(or if)I find something that works better, I always stickwith whats working at the time...

I'm the same way with loads for my firearms, I have a load worked up for my .270 that gives me consistant 3/4" groups at 100yards, thats beyond excepable for a hunting round, and thats what I use, but I still play around with different components, just to see if I can maybe come up with a little better...

I have a target hanging on my wall with an 1 1/4" group that I shot at 400yards with my 22-250 too and some would say that with that kind of accuracy there isnt any reason to work up any more loads for it, but I still mess around with that round too(with a different set of dies, I aint messing with my "good" setup )... and again,itsnothing more than for the enjoyment of doing it


I will saythough that once I get a bow or gun setup that I very rarely ever mess with that setup again unless I find a better arrow or load combination that requires it, although I do make changes here and there my experimenting usually always envolves the projectile, not the weapon




I'm pretty much the same way with everything I do, I have to know how everything works and I'm always looking at ways to imporve and/or modify things...
youd be hard pressed to find a machine in my garage that hasnt been messed with and has at least ONE modification done to it

ranger56528

Mybe thats one of the reasons I am getting into reloading......

Arthur P

Speed freaks are born tinkerers. They are the kind of people that can be starving but stillfind issues in a bowl of beans.

Not to mention that when you're pushing the raw edge of your equipment's capabilities, you're always going to have issues. It's the nature of the beast.

ranger56528

But once youve met the raw edge/bows max there is nothing more you can do to the point of total failer..as far as arrow weight and speed goes....and if you put cat wiskers on and want to regain the fps you reallycant because you haveall ready have met the bows max thus creating failer if you try to gain again..as far as sites and releases go that justa preferance of shootersbut they have total limits too......
Once youve met the bows total max operaton abillities there is no tinkering in the wourld that will change anything....
I mean you go buy a 70# bow that has a failer limit of 320fps,you then put on a D-loop,site, peep,rest you get arrows the lightest that are exceptable including nock,fp and vains and you meet the total max performancewhat else is there.....youve met the max that bow can do....And it can all be done in a hour or soof buying the bow at a good shop or by yourself......

KLS

strive for efficiency and accuracy...


for me its not about the fastest ormost powerful, its about making it the best it can be...
any reloader will tell you that the fastest, most powerfulround isnt usually the most accurate, theres a "balance point" somewhere in between where speed and accuracy combine into what could be called the most "efficent" that a round can be, finding what componants and/orcombination of componants that make that happen is the challenge, and where the fun lays for alot of guys...
there may be several setups that work good, you may think you have the best setup possible(or a "good enough" setup)only to discover that some slight alteration turns out to be just a little better, you never know unless you try...

althougharrow building is alot more limited in what you can do with them IMO itsbasically the same, maybe a different broadhead, different vanes/feathers, ormoving some weight front or backwill give you just a little better performance than what you have... in vertical bows theres an almost endless amount of bow/arrow componants and tuning you can do to make the bow/arrow setup the most efficent it can be, but you'll never find out unless you try... and IMO thats were alot of the funs comes from

once I find a good setup or two my tinkering usually slows down quite a bit, but I'm still always on the lookout for things to try, maybe a new broadhead will come out, new/different fletchings, nocks, inserts, new bullets, powders, it never really ends...

Arthur P

You're not taking maintenance into account. When you are skating on that raw edge, then things are a lot more apt to go wrong, and in a hurry. Everything has to be much more precise, and small changes in adjustment are almost instantly apparent and need correction. It holds just as true for archery gear as it does for, say, aIHRA drag racingmachine vs the family SUV.

The idea that you can set up a bow right up there at it's peak performance leveland forget about it is just not correct. It takes consistent, nearly constanttinkering to keep it there.

Now, if you back off that 320 fps max to about 250 fps, then things get a good bit more relaxed. It's closer to a 'set it and forget it' deal. You're getting closer to having an SUV than a dragster. An SUV isn't glamourous, but it's a lot more reliable over the long haul.

ranger56528

Once the bow has met it max and has been set upright the rest is up to the person to learn to shoot it.Form and Accuracy.

Dnk

I don't know if it is necessarily true. I take a string material that can give you awesome speeds and use the qualities of the string material to yield good speed with low creep and low noise. I also bought a speed compound and extracted the most speed with a moderately weighted arrow set up. I can still pull 70 but I bought a 50/60 lb bow and extracted the qualities (mostly an efficient cam system and low brace height) to give me what I wanted. However, when I started I was very impressionable and started with the ruddest, fastest cams on my first bow using the lightest aluminum arrows that were available. I think much of what you say James is true for many that just start out but I think intellect starts to creep in and straighten things out, or I hope so anyways.

ranger56528

Iam not saying anything about maintenance,thats just a gimmypart of it,i.e bushings,axles,bearings,strings,D-loops,fletching,nocks,servings that comes with the territory ofbeing maxed out or not being maxed out...
Bows come from there company with a set max limit witch can be met right away....Now if you talk motors thats a whole differant deal....They dont come with a setmax Hp...