Who is in favor of 4points on atleast one side minimum?
#31
I would support the four point rule except for one incident that happened a couple of years ago in our camp. My stepfather took a six point buck season before last. The buck had a 20" spread, weighed about 185, and looked to be about 5 1/2 years old. That buck needed to be taken out of the gene pool;he probably wouldn't ever be over eight points and might pass that on. QDM is common sense and shouldn't be based on antler restrictions.
#32
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I just read an article on the topic and it stated that research has indicated a large part of the genetics of the deer are passed down through the does. So even if she is bred by an "inferior" buck, it doesn't mean the offspring will be "inferior". It also had some info on the fact that just because a 2 1/2 year old deer has a small rack doesn't mean he can't grow into a monster. I believe the article was in this month's Bowhunter magazine.
#34
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From: Wisconsin
I pretty much do this on my own anyway, but I do not feel that it should be imposed on everyone. The potential problem with the concept is that there would be alot of bucks left in the woods to rot after the quick trigger finger went off.
As an example, several years ago I shot a beautiful "7" point. He never grew a brow tine on the one side. It was early am and I had a drip bag hanging in a tree about 100 yards out. A doe came out sniffing around it and I was watching her through my scope, when all of a sudden this buck appeared. He had long sweaping main beams, alot of mass and good tine length. I though for sure he was an 8. (Now if it would have been law, I would have waited) But I popped him and he dropped in his tracks. WHen I got down to him and picked his head up out of the deep snow, I was amazed to see no brow tine on the one side. He had 23 and 24" main beams, 5.5" circumference bases and 11" G2's. 192# dressed and his neck was "thick"...a beautiful animal....but only a seven point :-(
As an example, several years ago I shot a beautiful "7" point. He never grew a brow tine on the one side. It was early am and I had a drip bag hanging in a tree about 100 yards out. A doe came out sniffing around it and I was watching her through my scope, when all of a sudden this buck appeared. He had long sweaping main beams, alot of mass and good tine length. I though for sure he was an 8. (Now if it would have been law, I would have waited) But I popped him and he dropped in his tracks. WHen I got down to him and picked his head up out of the deep snow, I was amazed to see no brow tine on the one side. He had 23 and 24" main beams, 5.5" circumference bases and 11" G2's. 192# dressed and his neck was "thick"...a beautiful animal....but only a seven point :-(
#36
I'm against any form of antler restrictions. I think you cannot press them on any hunters. trophy deer man. should be left to private landowners, as you cannot please everyone that hunts the public ground. I think what PA has done is esentially wrong. In a nutshell, you're letting the deer get to 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 and then you waste them all because most people dont show restraint and let them get to be 3 1/2 or 4 1/2. Basically you're getting the same number of mature bucks as you did before because people are shooting up those 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 year classes. I cant stand people who complain that they dont ever see good bucks and then go shoot a tiny basket or fork.
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#37
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Bureau County Illinois
Yeah, a lot of genetics for antlers or any other thing in an animal is passed by the doe. But if that doe's daddy was an "inferior" animal than she will have a good chance of carrying "inferior" genes for head wear. In cattle they always tell you if you want to know how a cow's bull calves are going to look, take a peak at her sire. If you want to know how good the females are going to be, take a look at the sire's dam.
IF you want to manage for huge racks and all of that I don't think AR's are the best bet as people keep pointing out there are lots of 1.5-2.5 year old deer out there with very large racks. These are the deer trophy hunters want to have around to have doe offspring so their genetics are carried on. In some regards by instituting AR's you will be keeping the older animals that might max out as weak 8 points in the herd while removing the bucks that will have the impact you are looking for.
IF you want to manage for huge racks and all of that I don't think AR's are the best bet as people keep pointing out there are lots of 1.5-2.5 year old deer out there with very large racks. These are the deer trophy hunters want to have around to have doe offspring so their genetics are carried on. In some regards by instituting AR's you will be keeping the older animals that might max out as weak 8 points in the herd while removing the bucks that will have the impact you are looking for.
#38
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I am %100 against a 4pt minimum rule.
I dont care if I ever kill a big buck or world record. The "rush" is the same no matter the size of the deer. Dont get me wrong, killin a huge deer is great but the adrenaline (sp?) will start runnin no matter what.
I dont care if I ever kill a big buck or world record. The "rush" is the same no matter the size of the deer. Dont get me wrong, killin a huge deer is great but the adrenaline (sp?) will start runnin no matter what.
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