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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Yea, compound releases have triggers. Does that make them a gun?
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
I'm a hard headed SOB and I don't care if they start putting plutonium 238 on the ends of arrows, I want bowseason to be bowseason. No p@$$^ @$$ xbows, no draw locks, no arm rests, etc. and I'll never be convinced otherwise. You see, in the past few years a LOT of technological advances in archery have been made, and states have had to tweak their rules. Its safe to assume in the future the same will happen. At what point can you see a compound NOT being archery anymore ? Because it damn near there right now - at that point will you lobby to stop the advancements of the compound ? No, you wont. You'll buy that bow or add that gadget because it'll make you shoot better, more accurately, and it'll increase your chances to kill a deer. Thats what bowhunters demand .......... its also the exact thing they argue against on crossbows. Can you say hypocritical ? |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
ORIGINAL: datamax Mattiac - I wish I was silent's puppet, you don't know how many big bucks he has on his wall, do you ?? Just kidding....but seriously it did seem silly to me, but I didnt mean to poke fun at him. That was wrong. And if he wants to invite me along for a hunt that would be cool too...what state is he in? However, you still cant convince me that its the same as drawing in the presence of an animal Its not the same. Then by golly, I shouldn't have to special order a set of 50-60lb limbs this year to accomodate my shoulder problems. They dont do anything anyway. Thats thought provoking - seriously. Because with horizontal limb technology ......... the poundage of the "limbs" ......... its really in the cams/wheels, isn't it ?? Hmmmmmmmm Draw weight is relative to the deflection (or flexibility) of the limbs. Each different sized cam comes with a matched set of limbs to obtain that particular draw weight. Changing the size of the cam considerably will change draw weight in small amounts. Normally within a 10 pound range. But that varies. The usual change would be within 4 or 5 pounds. Without limbs that flexed though, you would not have enough energy to propel the arrow. Yes the wheels (cams) do provide more energy than limbs alone, but without limbs you would have nothing. You could not have a bow with two unmoving fixed parts connecting a set of wheels. It just wouldnt work. So this makes your response to that gentlemens question, incorrect to an extent. At first I thought this thread should die too....but if we drop the attitudes and discuss it, it really does make sense. I have to say that both of you guys do seem to have an heir about you. I mean silent, come on, you keep acting like you handed me an intellectual beating. Thats so childish. Its not like we had a test on information, and you wooped me. We debated an issue! Your side had the better facts, and the winning argument. You cant say I didnt argue it well though. Nor can you say that most the others didnt. They all brought to the table valid concerns. Of course after I realized I had no chance of winning the debate, I turned to humor. You guys still took it seriously, I gotta tell you to loosen up boys, life is short. That attitude your exuding isnt helping your case either. People will be more willing to listen to your ideas, if you treat their concerns and ideas with respect. Even if you could care less what they think. An attitude does turn people off from what you're trying to say. See if you can turn it around, and maybe you will sucker.....err....I mean convince the rest of the members to your side.:D You have the persistance part down though, hehehee, what are we on now the 87th page....ahahahaha.... Well, I dont think Im ready to go out and lobby for crossbows to be introduced, but seeing how it shouldnt effect the season, I see no reason to disclude them. Of course, I never hated crossbows to begin with, I just dont think the way you use them is fair. But it wont effect the seasons, so.....who cares. Also though, I think hunters wishing to hunt with crossbows would need to take a different hunter ed course. Also the course certificate should NOT be good for hunting with a regular bow and arrow. If they want to make the switch, I would think they have to at least retake the shooting profficiency test again with their new weapon choice. Alright, well Im going to chow down on some salad....hopefully when I get back there arent ten new pages on this thread. HAHHAHAAH Later---Matt |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
With a little work we can turn a Xbow into a "Crutch" so you can carry this B.S even further!!!!!
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Recurver, I don't know ya, but I like ya
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
And if he wants to invite me along for a hunt that would be cool too...what state is he in? Whew, thank God you agree with me on that one, I was seriously thinking you needed to check into the loony bin Draw weight is relative to the deflection (or flexibility) of the limbs. Each different sized cam comes with a matched set of limbs to obtain that particular draw weight. Changing the size of the cam considerably will change draw weight in small amounts. Normally within a 10 pound range. But that varies. The usual change would be within 4 or 5 pounds. Without limbs that flexed though, you would not have enough energy to propel the arrow. Yes the wheels (cams) do provide more energy than limbs alone, but without limbs you would have nothing. You could not have a bow with two unmoving fixed parts connecting a set of wheels. It just wouldnt work. So this makes your response to that gentlemens question, incorrect to an extent. well, that use to be true. Compounds nowdays don't have much flex at all in their limbs - they don't. I mean, look at this bo, and tell me how much the limbs really flex  |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Thank you FF, I keep reading the posts for excitement but I get nothing.It's the SOS. Kinda like a broken record. Even the pink bunny has limits!!!!! LOL:D
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
ORIGINAL: Double Creek What's really amazing is that 3 guys have kept this thing going for 85 freaking pages!!!! I'm a hard headed SOB and I don't care if they start putting plutonium 238 on the ends of arrows, I want bowseason to be bowseason. No p@$$^ @$$ xbows, no draw locks, no arm rests, etc. and I'll never be convinced otherwise. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
In some states they may not affect anything, like AR, and GA .. some states they could so they are only allowed in firearm season like NH, others can support their own season like Maryland. I don't think crossbows will attract many new people, they have been around forever and are legal already in many states ... because it's not the crossbow that introduces people to hunting its other hunters. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
ORIGINAL: datamax Draw weight is relative to the deflection (or flexibility) of the limbs. Each different sized cam comes with a matched set of limbs to obtain that particular draw weight. Changing the size of the cam considerably will change draw weight in small amounts. Normally within a 10 pound range. But that varies. The usual change would be within 4 or 5 pounds. Without limbs that flexed though, you would not have enough energy to propel the arrow. Yes the wheels (cams) do provide more energy than limbs alone, but without limbs you would have nothing. You could not have a bow with two unmoving fixed parts connecting a set of wheels. It just wouldnt work. So this makes your response to that gentlemens question, incorrect to an extent. well, that use to be true. Compounds nowdays don't have much flex at all in their limbs - they don't. I mean, look at this bo, and tell me how much the limbs really flex
No data, Im telling you bud, they have to flex. Even on that AR bow you posted. Those limbs will flex upward or inward or however you want to describe it....(I guess towards each other is the best description) Each one may only flex about an inch or so, but it flexes. Yes they dont flex as much as the older bows, but they HAVE to flex. Read my description again. It pretty much explains it. If that still doesnt do it for you, just ask, Im pretty sure I can explain it. The cams and wheels on bows can increase the stored energy, but cant do it without limbs that flex. To say the wheels control the draw weight of a parallel limb bow is incorrect. Its ok to admit you're wrong, I did it...I know it sucks but...sometimes you just have to. Im not even sure what this is getting at though. So why are we discussing the stored energy of a compound bow with parallel limbs vs. ??? Have a good one---Matt |
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