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Thats weird.....I just had a really good write up for this thread, and it didnt show up when I submitted it....

Have we reached the limit?

Houston we have a problem!:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Oh geeeeeeez, didn't you read anything on the past 100 pages ? Son, I'm NOT against compounds, but I could easily be if I use the same exact reeasons you use against crossbows. Its not hard to see it really. If I WERE against compounds then yep, me using one would make me hypocritical.


Its a bow - not unlike a compound or a crossbow or a self bow. No twist, and I'm going freeball today so nothings wrong down there.

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Starting to sound like a bunch of old women bickering in here.

Why don’t we go back to making our own bows? Making our own arrow and tying some flint rock on the end of a stick and then go bow hunting. All this crap about longbows being so much harder than a compound. Traditional????.... if you didn’t go out and cut down the tree and aren’t using store bought arrows and broadheads you aren’t traditional either. Go grab a stick out of a tree.. Kill a bird with a rock glue his feathers to the stick then you will be traditional. Or better yet use a spear. DAD GUM this IS getting silly!

If you can do that then you are the man. as for me i like modern technology. A crowbow aint a bow. that was the point i was trying to make. Not that i am better that a compound hunter.

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Mattiac - give it a few minutes - 100 pages seems to have broken a threshold and Huntin.net is ......... having some issues with it :D

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You're lying to yourself again. A crossbow IS a bow, like it or not. If you went traditional you WOULD find what archery is truly meant to be. You like your technology - because it makes you a better hunter - but dammit you don't want anyone to use anything other than you want them to use. You want your easy - don't want anyone to have easier though huh bubba ?

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Here's a though


Ban all sights on bows. Ban triggered releases and make everyone shoot off the shelf. ban pins and scopes on crossbows. ban carbon arrows, allow only woods/aluminum and only cut on impact broadheads. nothing more than 65% letoff. Maybe 50% letoff.

What do ya'll say ?

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HAHAHAHA I see that now.....

What can I say, I live in a world of instant gratification! LOL

I need it NOW....not 45 seconds from now! LOL

Do you agree with any of what I said in my last post before I contacted NASA?

I think a study would help the crossbow case a lot more than all this bickering.

They may not work everywhere, but they would probably be alright in most areas.

They actually have my interest peaked, and I want to try one now.....anyone have a free one they can send me? LOL Ill pm you my address if you do.:D

Think we will make it to 200 pages? I have a feeling a higher authority will step in before then...but it would be neat.

Once I click OK, Ill be adding another one to the steaming pile.....hahhahahha

here goes

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What? You embrace "modern technology" until it comes to crossbows then it stops?

And for your information a crossbow IS a bow look it up in the dictionary because my Websters says it is.

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back me up here fellas - anybody else not get the distinct impression that ol' Data was definitely against compounds? Or was it only me?

You are a slippery one data - you know I won't bother to go back through 100 pages of bullcrap to extract the 1000 quotes from you that show your anti-compound rhetoric.

Whatever.

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NY DEC says its not ..... sorry, Charlie.

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So let me get this straight....Data is AGAINST compound bows but FOR crossbows :eek: What he is doing everytime he slams compound bows is showing you all that you have a double standard when it comes to technology...."It's ok to put every bell and whistle on my compound and STILL call it a bow and me a BOW HUNTER even though it's WAY different than a long bow" "But how dare you consider a crossbow a bow and crossbow shooters BOW HUNTERS they are just too different"

Hell I'm doing the same thing yet no one has said I'm against compounds? because I'm not! I love my compound with all of it's bells and whistles and I know it's far far removed from how a true bow should be. Thats why I can accept crossbows because I would be a hypocrite if I didn't.

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You think those companies were around 30 years ago when they made them legal there:eek:

With all due respect my guess is that your guess isn't a very intelligent one. Crossbows have been legal here for the last 30 years.

What if there handicap leaves them unable to shoot a compound?

Did you see the numbers that I quoted and go to the link that I provided. That kind of goes back to the point of you only seeing and hearing what you want to.

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Im trying to remain more neutral on this one now. As I all too well see the points both sides are making.

But yes I will back you up on the point that a few people including Datamax "seem" to have an "attitude" towards compounds. A few things that were said really rubbed me the wrong way...but I forgive easily so...

Besides, maybe the bad attitude is justifiable, we have come a long way in advancements leaving most of the traditionalists in the dust. Although, I know not all of us partake in these advancements.... I also know that hunting with traditional tackle is harder, because I tried it. But then again, thats gonna have its advantages too....Some awful things have also been said about traditional hunters too. So its coming from all directions.

When it comes down to it, we ALL have to stop bashing equipment...I dont think anyone should be trash talking ANY of the equipment, including crossbows. It just makes us look bad.

Have a good one---Matt

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For the last time...... a state cannot DEFINE what an object is! It can deem them illegal but not CHANGE what it is. My state says it's illegal to hunt deer with a .22 pistol, but ok with a .44 mag. pistol. Does that mean the .22 is not a pistol and the .44 is?

"sorry Charlie"? Holy cow it's like talking to my 6 year old!

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Right - obviously, your tone is different. I have more respect for your view (although I don't agree with it) that a crossbow is an extension of archery than I do for Datamax's (that since a compound bastardizes and corrupts archery, why not let anything, including crossbows, in.)

At least you are being sincere and honest - I respect that. I still don't believe that crossbows belong in archery season, but I can respect your opinion.

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Now that is certainly one of the more intelligent quotes to come out of the whole 100+ pages.

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Which part of the apple is the cams and the let-off;)

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BigJ

No, it means a .44 belongs in gun season for deer and a .22 doesn't. I'm OK with that. Just like I'm OK with a 6yr old waiting until he/she's physically big enough to draw a legal bow before they can go out hunting during archery season.

I apologize if the "sorry charlie" offended you - not intended.

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silentass -

which part of the locked at full draw is apples to apples with a compound?

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That's an excellent comparison BigJ. I am kind of p!ssed at myself for not thining of it[:@]:D

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Ya'll please stop quoting each freaking sentence!!!! I can't keep up

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I agree Data may go about it in a different way than I do, but that dosen't mean he is anti-compound, if he was he wouldn't have hunted with one last year. I think what he is trying to say (sorry if i'm putting words in your mouth) is compounders (like myself) have no right to call something not a bow when their choice of weapon is very close to not being one as well. And only true longbow/recurve shooters have the RIGHT to say anything. Because like it or not, that was the original bow hunting equipment.

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Ill admit, I have never hunted with a cross bow, but have shot them. I have hunted with all but a long bow. My older brother is a long bow fanatic. I have shot long bows, quite a bit. I dont trust a long bow. My brother is one of the exception when it comes to long bows, he knows the bows limitations. Long bows are limited by speed and energy. Very slow bows, slow stacking, etc.. If any bow should be banned it should be a long bow due to ethical reasons. Not many people want to take the time to truly learn a long bow. As for a recurve, I some times like a recurve over a compound. Much easier to instinctive shot when fishing, hunting birds, or rabbits. Compound is much more inferior in this respect. I started shooting with long bows back in the early 80s and started my archery hunting with recurves short after. I didnt use a compound until the mid 80s.

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None taken...it's not like I haven't done it myself

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you're a fawn - I forgive you for your misunderstandings of my position

now that you clearly know I'm not against compounds ......... what say you ?

Mattiac - I htink you "get it"

I'm not sugar coating what compounds are. They HAVE changed archery in ways never though possible. They are the to trad shooters no more than what crossbows are to compound shooters. And I aint afraid to say that.

You know of the Elitist views some trad archers have. Why ? Why do they feel that its the trad way or no way at all ? I can tell you why because I shoot trad and I KNOW why. Compounders take the easy way out using their tricked out high techy bowthingy's - they don't want to put the time and effort into learning the REAL side of archery. I know this - but I don't cop that attitude in truth. Why ? Because without the compound there would be vastly fewer archers and archery wouldn't be nothing what it is today. Compounds are not a negative to archery season though they bring in hundreds of thousands of 2 season archers and quite a few worthless ones at that. But - that someone chooses a compound won't effect my archery season one bit.

If I made an argument against compounds based on how they draw, the design differences, triggers, high letoffs, cables and wheels and cams, sights, - hell it would be MORE of an argument than the ones compounders make against crossbows !

But its irrelevant - the compounders choice is THERE challenge - its not for me to belittle that. And its not for a compounder to belittle a crossbowers choice either.

Theres your honest datamax for the day :eek:

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I never said they were apples to apples. I said it was irrelevant because there performance was identical and I don't care if little Johnny gets to shoot a crossbow or not.

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lmao

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I just had to do this to ya.:D

I do think this thread is acting up though I cannot read the last entries. I will not be able to read this one until someone elso posts but it shows up that I posted....strange.

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One of the concerns I saw was poaching. Now I fully understand that its the person and the poor attitude that causes someone to be a poacher...BUT....certain weapons lend themselves to poaching. Enabling people to poach "easier" if you will. I would think a crossbow would be one of those weapons. Silent, easy to fire from a truck or car window, etc. Now I dont want to say ban them all, because, as mentioned, I really dont want to prevent people from pursuing this wonderful sport. But....in a way, they are bad because they are a silent weapon that can aid in poaching. Does anyone agree?

Of course silenced pistols would be another weapon to aid in poaching game, but I think they would be harder to get your hands on. Im not sure though....Im not into guns, so I dont know much about them. I guess each state would have different laws pertaining to handguns and silenced weapons. Maybe someone else can speak more knowledgeably on that topic.

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Mattiac

First off, when I was younger I knew people that poached. They didn't use a crossbow the used rifles and shotguns. Why? Because they wanted a quick, clean kill at longer distances. They knew that by the time someone called the game warden to report that they heard a shot they would already have the deer dressed out a long way from where they shot it.

Second

Suppressers (silencers) have been illegal since 1934 in the same legistlation that banned automatic weapons. They exception of course is the military, police, class III gun dealers, and those that want to pay $600 per suppressor and go through a background checks and approval by the ATF. Some states have additional restrictions. My brother in law was a class III dealer, had suppressed weapons, and even though we had access to them, we never used them on wildlife (illegal in AR).

Point is; whoever is going to break the law will do it anyway.

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Crash

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My thoughts? You should enter politics in the democratic race. You dont answer direct questions. You hop , skip , jump around , and reply with another question.:eek:

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Without a doubt , the most idiotic thing I've read here so far!!!!!

Your trying to say the majority of compound hunters would just use a gun if there were just one season for all weapons? I wonder if your arrogance and elitism is finally sinking in to everyone else here yet. It also makes me wonder where exactly you fall into this whole equation? Your such a great shot with your recurve but yet you say you used a compound to shoot your buck last year????Stay in your beloved trad forum if your gonna come here to piss on compound hunters! ;)

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Bigj, thats the only thing I have agreed with you on. Take another 100 pages if you want and blow smoke but your still not a bowhunter using an x-bow. I would say that to your face, your a crossbower, totally two different idenities. Its like talking too a child, good day. Bobby
P.S. I know I said I wouldn't repley anymore but I think you guys are just hilliriaus tring to justify that it should be in the same season and you call yourself a bowhunter. I can not tell you how many times in the 35 years of bow hunting that I have done how many times I have been busted while drawing back or having to hold at full draw beyond my capabilities and having too let up. With the crossbowbow you point and shoot, just like a shot gun, and as I said before, Don't call yourself a bowhunter. Take another 100 pages and try again. By the way I am shooting a Kodiak Hunter and a black widow recurve as well as an TRX.

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Really?? Nobody?

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BIG
QUOTE: "Hell I'm doing the same thing yet no one has said I'm against compounds? because I'm not!"


Sounds like you just like to argue.

BIG
QUOTE: "I love my compound with all of it's bells and whistles and I know it's far far removed from how a true bow should be. Thats why I can accept crossbows because I would be a hypocrite if I didn't."



What do you mean "bells and whistles"? sounds kind of silly.

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Test post.....Are we up again?

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Thanks Bowfanatic - maybe he'll listen to another life member since us fawns are not worthy of consideration;)

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Ahhh , the plot starts to come together. Did he really just sell out and grab the compound?? Was it a bunch of B.S. so he can say "hey I used a compound , I have nothing against them"???

I think I'll take the time to go through every stinkin page and quote every single shot he's taken at compounds and compound hunters , then ya'll will see the light!!!;)
Ohh , he'll say it's just to make his point. But he's been doing it (trashin compounds) in different ways , every chance he gets , as long as I can remember!:eek:

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You know of the Elitist views some trad archers have. Why ? Why do they feel that its the trad way or no way at all ? I can tell you why because I shoot trad and I KNOW why. Compounders take the easy way out using their tricked out high techy bowthingy's - they don't want to put the time and effort into learning the REAL side of archery. I know this - but I don't cop that attitude in truth. Why ? Because without the compound there would be vastly fewer archers and archery wouldn't be nothing what it is today. Compounds are not a negative to archery season though they bring in hundreds of thousands of 2 season archers and quite a few worthless ones at that. But - that someone chooses a compound won't effect my archery season one bit.
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The same reason that flyfisherman think that spin fishing is somehow less noble- they want to feel superior. Disregard the fact that the difficult 95% of fishing is just fishing - you know, find the fish, set up on the fish, cast to the fish, etc.

In fact, this analogy apeals to me. If traditionalists are flyfisherman, and compounds are spin fisherman, than crossbows are trollers. You still have to find the fish, and once you get one on the line you need to play it and reel it in. But trollers lack a whole series of other fishing skills - casting with precision, setting the hook...you get the idea.

Flyfisherman and spinfisherman have much more in common than the troller, don't you think?

By the way, data...I think my analogy to trolling might hit home in more than one way.