Why are you so anti compound?? Without us you would not have an archery season. The point that most ppl are making here is that a crossbow does not have to be drawn undetected. That you do not have to hold on a deer. All you do is point and shoot. Yes a compound is easier than so called traditional. But I want to ask some questions:
1. Do you use modern arrows?
2. Do you use modern broadheads?
3. Do you buy feathers for the arrows that are precut to be the exact same size?
4. Do you use modern string on your bow?
5 Does your bow have some type of modern sealer on it?

I would say that the answer is most likely YES to all. You are lying to yourself if you think you are really traditional. You are also a hypocrite. It’s ok for you to use a modernized recurve or longbow and arrows. But let someone hunt with a compound and they are taking the easy way out. Personally want to be able to shoot a 1-inch group after holing in a deer for 2-5 mins. Like I said a few posts ago go out and make your own arrows with some bone knife like the Indians did. go find your own feathers and trim them yourself. Make your own broadheads out of some flint rock. Until then your aren’t traditional. You are just using a modern version of a traditional weapon.

put on here twice?

No I fully understand.

His point was that trollers were not fisherman in the same way he and you all feel Crossbow hunters are not BOWhunters.

Here are HIS words. Notice how he uses the term fisherman after fly and spin but not after troller. He was trying to say a troller was NOT a true fisherman, just like crossbow hunters are not true BOWhunters. He was being specific not general.

I have to add that he was also being very specific with the classifications as well. As you can see he likens the trad shooters to fly fisherman, the compound shooters to spin fisherman and the crossbow shooters to trollers.

If his point was "fisherman" equated "hunter" he would have put the word fisherman after troller. He didn't because he was equating fly, spin and troller with types of bows and fisherman with the type of hunter they were. If you can't see that then you probably will not understand this post either.

Well then you have my apology. I did not mean to hurt your feelings, just ruffle your feathers a bit.

I'm sorry but how long are you guys going to argue about this before you finally figure out that you're not going to change each others minds and just give up? Just wondering.

Thing is ...... show me one state that is all flyfishing only ? Or only spincast only ? They're not - and the REASONS those certain, minority streams and locations ARE restricted is because of the impact on resources from spincast, live bait, trolling etc etc fisherman !

Crossbows DO NOT BRING A NEGATIVE IMPACT on the resource !


Don't you get that yet ?

MA Jay - using the example above you're the type that thinks people who use live bait are not fisherman, aren't you ?

A crossbow has forever been a bow - hell its part of the word ! crossBOW


There may be truth to that - which even further drives homw my point on how compounds have affected archery, doesn't it ?

I’m not anti-crossbow. And you just said yourself that a compound is easier than a trad bow. Why should we allow compounds then ? Crossbows are easier than compounds …. And you don’t want them, do you ? Compounds are much easier than trad bows – why can’t I stand on a pillar and look down at YOU ?


All of the above I use for the most part, somewhat.

I’m not hypocritical, I KNOW why I use what I use. Do you ? I know my choices in equipment – they’re easier than whittling a bow from an osage stave, rolling bamboo across a hot stove top to straighten and using bison gut for strings and knapping heads. But YOUR choice is much, much easier than my choice – and therefore I can look down on you for it.

Right ? Because that is what you’re doing, looking down on crossbows. You’ll squirm at this point, and say “but, but, but they don’t have 15% more letoff than my bow has, but, but, but they are easier or but, but, but they’re easier to shoot “

LOL – that’s what I can say about compounds, isn’t it ?

I see your point clearly. I assumed he meant that trollers were fishermen as well, just a different type. Considering the level of writing that has occured over these pages, we all sometimes have to stretch a little to get the gist.

But back to my point about spin casting, fly fishing, trolling, long lining and netting all being fishing, while bow, muzzleloading, rifle & pistol, and crossbows all are types of hunting. Why do we NEED to make crossbow hunting the same as bow hunting? Making 2 different fishing styles be considered the same never comes up. I have yet to hear muzzleloaders fighting to be considered rifle hunting .. why crossbows trying to become bows? I just don't get it. Because there are not a lot of negatives? Seems weak to me.

I can understand the fight to get crossbows allowed in states they are forbidden, but trying to convince people they are just a reinvented bow seems ridiculous. Why? To get more hunting time? That seems to be a fight you could win much easier on the merits of the crossbow as its own weapon. Trying to call a crossbow a bow though .. that's where you lose 90% of hunters. People just don't think a crossbow is a bow. There a few ... a very few. Seems clear to me if you were fighting for the crossbow you'd have much better luck selling them to Fish and Game as a viable hunting weapon on its own .. instead of trying to sell it as something it so obviously is not.

Hell no.. I use bait with pride!

ummm ... I guess that is why we can never come to the same conclusion ... because I swear you're crazy if you think a crossbow is a bow. So having the name of something in a name makes it that? Like a dogfish is actually a dog? That's what it sounds like to me you are trying to say... or a cowbird is actually a cow? Or speargun has to be ... a spear or a gun? hmmm .. crap how does this work again. Should I just pick the part I like and call it that with total disregard for the entire object?

Really? So the reason they are not allowed is because of an anti-crossbow conspiracy? The anti-crossbow politicians? Fish and Game people who secretly fear crossbows because they were not held as infants? Then "WHY" are they not now, nor have ever been legal in all but 3 states? Was it the guy on the grassy knoll who used one? As you said .. they've been around forever.

So a Dragon Fly is a Dragon.... Because it's in the name?... That logic doesn't float

Aparently crossbows are affecting how this message board runs. Their down fall is they crash servers