please tell me just one negative to crossbows
04-08-2005 | 01:27 PM
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If his point was "fisherman" equated "hunter" he would have put the word fisherman after troller. He didn't because he was equating fly, spin and troller with types of bows and fisherman with the type of hunter they were. If you can't see that then you probably will not understand this post either.
BigJ - of course I considering trolling fisherman to be Fisherman (although I have never used the phrase before) and I also consider those who pursue deer with a crossbow to be deer HUNTERS.
The point was supposed to be that the skill sets are very different between trolling and casting - but I'm betting you knew that and focused on the semantics to suit your needs.
I'm sure that all who have posted would agree that crossbow hunters are indeed hunters - were we differ is that most do not agree they are bowhunters.
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04-08-2005 | 01:35 PM
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Trying to call a crossbow a bow though .. that's where you lose 90% of hunters. People just don't think a crossbow is a bow. There a few ... a very few. Seems clear to me if you were fighting for the crossbow you'd have much better luck selling them to Fish and Game as a viable hunting weapon on its own .. instead of trying to sell it as something it so obviously is not.
Trying to call a crossbow a bow though .. that's where you lose 90% of hunters. People just don't think a crossbow is a bow. There a few ... a very few. Seems clear to me if you were fighting for the crossbow you'd have much better luck selling them to Fish and Game as a viable hunting weapon on its own .. instead of trying to sell it as something it so obviously is not.
I agree, crossbows and hand held bows are different, and crossbows don't belong in archery season. But hey, that's just my opinion. How about the opinion of the reknowned
Norb Mullaney: (But hey, don't let physics get in the way of a good argument!)
Mr. Norb Mullaney, a professional engineer, is recognized as the leading authority on the physics of bows and endows. He states that "The hand held bow has one characteristic that distinguishes it from a crossbow or any type of firearm. The internal ballistics are a function of the shooter, his or her physical geometry and capabilities, shooting form, consistency and reaction to stress and trauma. In the crossbow and firearms, the internal ballistics are fixed. The action of the shooter in triggering a release of energy does nothing more than initiate a process that is consistent and repetitive. The hand held bow is different. Every action of the shooter contributes something either positive or negative to the interior ballistic process. As the interior ballistics vary, so do the exterior ballistics. Shooting the hand held bow and arrow is much more complicated than aiming a fixed system of ballistics and touching off the energy discharge. The total energy to draw, hold and release the bow must come directly and unassisted from the shooter's muscle power."
Copies of the Mullaney Report can be obtained from Mr. Mullaney, Engineer, Writer, 8425 North Greenvale Rd. Milwaukee W/ 53217
04-08-2005 | 01:36 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
So a Dragon Fly is a Dragon.... Because it's in the name?... That logic doesn't float
Now if you notice it says it's a form of a bow not a form of a gun or a form of a spear or even a form of a dragon fly. No it specifically says it's a BOW set transversely on a stock.
04-08-2005 | 01:37 PM
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Or this guy -
The technical information on equipment, contained in the "Marrow Report" was compiled by Roy S. Marlow and associates; titled "The Modem Hunting Crossbow-- A Study of it's Effectiveness Compared to the Hand Held Bow, 1 989".
Roy S. Marlow's areas of expertise are in design, theoretical analysis, and experimental evaluation of structural and mechanical systems. He holds a BS degree in aerospace engineering, an MS degree in mechanical engineering, and an MBA degree in management with a concentration in the management of research and development activities. He is a member of several national engineering societies and scholastic fraternities, is active on industrial committees, and task groups, and has written widely on technical subjects. In 1984 he received the Eugene W. Jacobs Award, which is awarded annually by the American Mechanical Engineers for technical excellence.
The Marlow Report concludes that the crossbow is technically superior to the modem hand held bow in almost every category of comparison. Further, the report concludes that the crossbow is more similar to a fireman than a hand held bow and that crossbows should not be considered as archery equipment. The crossbow which is always cocked, shoulder held, shot from a rest, fired by a trigger and has over twice the effective range of a bow is closer to being a firearm than a hand held bow.
Copy's of the Marrow Report can be obtained from RS Marlow & Associates, 12503 Chapel Bell, San Antonio, TX 78230
The technical information on equipment, contained in the "Marrow Report" was compiled by Roy S. Marlow and associates; titled "The Modem Hunting Crossbow-- A Study of it's Effectiveness Compared to the Hand Held Bow, 1 989".
Roy S. Marlow's areas of expertise are in design, theoretical analysis, and experimental evaluation of structural and mechanical systems. He holds a BS degree in aerospace engineering, an MS degree in mechanical engineering, and an MBA degree in management with a concentration in the management of research and development activities. He is a member of several national engineering societies and scholastic fraternities, is active on industrial committees, and task groups, and has written widely on technical subjects. In 1984 he received the Eugene W. Jacobs Award, which is awarded annually by the American Mechanical Engineers for technical excellence.
The Marlow Report concludes that the crossbow is technically superior to the modem hand held bow in almost every category of comparison. Further, the report concludes that the crossbow is more similar to a fireman than a hand held bow and that crossbows should not be considered as archery equipment. The crossbow which is always cocked, shoulder held, shot from a rest, fired by a trigger and has over twice the effective range of a bow is closer to being a firearm than a hand held bow.
Copy's of the Marrow Report can be obtained from RS Marlow & Associates, 12503 Chapel Bell, San Antonio, TX 78230
04-08-2005 | 01:40 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
because I swear you're crazy if you think a crossbow is a bow
look up a dragonfly in the dictionary and tell me what it says
No one touches my logic on being a recurve shooter allows me to look down upon compounders huh ?
No takers ?
04-08-2005 | 01:40 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Mr. Norb Mullaney, a professional engineer, is recognized as the leading authority on the physics of bows and endows. He states that "The hand held bow has one characteristic that distinguishes it from a crossbow or any type of firearm. The internal ballistics are a function of the shooter, his or her physical geometry and capabilities, shooting form, consistency and reaction to stress and trauma. In the crossbow and firearms, the internal ballistics are fixed. The action of the shooter in triggering a release of energy does nothing more than initiate a process that is consistent and repetitive. The hand held bow is different. Every action of the shooter contributes something either positive or negative to the interior ballistic process. As the interior ballistics vary, so do the exterior ballistics. Shooting the hand held bow and arrow is much more complicated than aiming a fixed system of ballistics and touching off the energy discharge. The total energy to draw, hold and release the bow must come directly and unassisted from the shooter's muscle power."
04-08-2005 | 01:40 PM
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Or these guys.....
Bowhunting was meant to be, and is a difficult and demanding sport. It requires a high level of dedication from its participants. Today's modem compound bows, coupled with sight pins and mechanical releases, have done much to make it easier for archers to reach and maintain levels of proficiency necessary for hunting. Unfortunately, there are still those sportsmen and women who are not willing to put forth the time and effort to learn to shoot archery equipment proficiently. The crossbow is the answer for today's opportunistic hunter who lacks the dedication and commitment required to be a bowhunter. The crossbow is simply a superior weapon that is much easier to use than archery equipment.
For more information contact the Professional Bowhunters Society, P. O. Box 246 Terrell, NC 28682
Bowhunting was meant to be, and is a difficult and demanding sport. It requires a high level of dedication from its participants. Today's modem compound bows, coupled with sight pins and mechanical releases, have done much to make it easier for archers to reach and maintain levels of proficiency necessary for hunting. Unfortunately, there are still those sportsmen and women who are not willing to put forth the time and effort to learn to shoot archery equipment proficiently. The crossbow is the answer for today's opportunistic hunter who lacks the dedication and commitment required to be a bowhunter. The crossbow is simply a superior weapon that is much easier to use than archery equipment.
For more information contact the Professional Bowhunters Society, P. O. Box 246 Terrell, NC 28682