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captain backstrap 07-29-2004 09:17 AM

Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
Just wandering if there's anybody out there like me.

During the off season or away from the woods, I'm probably what you would say is an average Joe. I work hard(self-employed metal roofing) I love my family(Autumn, Summer, & Zack and wife Laurel) and I get along with and am respected and I respect many. I even teach Sunday School at church to our young married couples(I'm 31).

But that all changes when it comes to my hunting. When I'm scouting, shooting my bow, etc. I PREFER to be alone. My hunting friends (who think we're "buddies") have not a clue when it comes to what I'm actually doing regarding deer hunting or preparation. When I go into the woods, I go ALONE . I don't even like for anybody to know I'm going. I don't even like for anybody to know I'm there. I usually hide my truck and sneak in and out of the woods. I have nothing to hide, I just don't like for anybody to know my business. If anybody asks me if I've seen anything I always say , "Nothing to speak of" and leave it at that. I don't really lie, I just don't volunteer all the truth. For example, the lease I hunt on now has 6 other guys on it. I've hunted it for 3 years. They all laugh and chuckle because they think I still haven't killed anything yet. What they don't know is that I have killed more bigger bucks than ANY of them have, including my top 3 bucks in 22 years of hunting! The closest I come to sharing all of this with anyone is my two brothers who also hunt the property, but guess what! Last season I saw a MONSTER 160 class 5x5 with a sticker and NEITHER one of them knows about it to this day. I just don't talk about a lot of stuff.

When I kill a deer I always cover it up in the back of my truck and try to drive out when noone is around. So far so good.
I could go on and on, but that's the general idea. Also , I've been this way since I started bowhunting at age 9! It just seems to be the way I am, I can't help it.

Am I weird or can any of you guys relate????????????

thenuge15 07-29-2004 09:23 AM

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Man I would feel like I was missing out. Half the fun for me is comming back to the truck and telling your story of what happened. Thats what I love about bowhunting, everytime you go out theres a story you can tell. Whats even more fun is driving around showing all your friends the big buck you shot/or calling them on the phone. So no I guess I'm not like you because some of the aspects you ignore I really enjoy about hunting. I wouldn't imagine not sharing anything with anybody else or not being able to talk about my passion.

Arthur P 07-29-2004 09:27 AM

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Yeah, I can relate. I always hunted alone. However, it's not a smart move to take off to the woods and not let anyone know where you've gone and when you'll be back. You fall out of your treestand and it could be months before someone finds you. Well, your bones anyway.

Double Creek 07-29-2004 09:28 AM

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There is no "buddy system" involved with consistently killing mature deer. You almost HAVE to go at it alone. Their sensative nature demands as little entrusion as possible. I am similar to you, I don't discuss what I saw. But, I do show the kills. It would be hard to hold that in.

This is what makes hunting great. It can be all things to all people. If you like to ride an ATV all day just shooting the breeze, you can. If you hunt from horseback you can, if you hunt dogs, you can. If you group hunt with drives, you can. If you want to be a reclusive buck slayer, you can.

It really is a great sport.!!!

gutshot 07-29-2004 09:33 AM

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I'm like nuge, I enjoy the getting together and BS'ing about the day and the stories. I have buddies like you though they'll go out and see a nice buck and try to keep the location a secret but I always end up figuring it out. I would never hunt a buck that they were already hunting but I guess that this is their way of trying to protect their bucks.

sho-me_bhntr 07-29-2004 09:35 AM

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lol, for some reason, when i read your post, i couldn't help but smile. you just know at the end of the season those fellas are thinking they are twice the hunter that you are. too funny. no, i don't think your weird...there is something to be said for "keeping quiet." for instance, i have a friend (A) who hunts with another guy (B) i know on the same lease...well, A had seen this big buck two days in a row while hunting, but for whatever reason could not get a shot at him...well, A had to leave their lease and go to work. while at work, B slips in to where A has been hunting and kills this deer...and not only kills it, but has been bragging about it to everyone ever since he killed it last season...geez...A was so mad that he's leaving the lease to hunt property that isn't nearly as productive this season...

if you don't want someone to slip in and hunt a deer you are after, i wouldn't be talking about it to just anyone...

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 09:38 AM

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Just for clarification, Someone always knows where I am, Either my wife or a brother, And I do share my kills with my closest friends and family(and taxidermist:)), just not the other guys on the lease. But my two brothers are aggressive, If I say I saw a big buck, they'll both be all over me. I know that from experience. And I'd hate to have to bust their chops:D.

bowhuntt 07-29-2004 09:39 AM

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Dude your friends and hunting buddies make hunting what it is. Thats one of my favorite things to roll into camp with a big ol bruiser or enjoy the hunt with someone else. I enjoy friends joining me in the stand to video the days hunt or hunting close togather it is just a blast. I dont even get out to shoot my bow unless there is someone else around otherwise its just no fun. but u know time by yourself in the tree stand is always relaxing but id still rather be with my buds

Tazman 07-29-2004 09:43 AM

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In some ways we are a lot alike, I am a lone wolf 95% of my hunting up until the last few seasons now that my twins are taking an interest in hunting. I am started them off scouting and sitting on stand with me during gun season, this year will be thier first year gun hunting themselves, the old man will still be right there with them. I have a feeling my biggest hunting thrill ever will be them killing thier first deer!

Bow hunting is a whole different story, that is now and will remain me and me alone. Do not get me wrong, if a club or friend came along that I was comfortable with, I would hook up with them. I do all my own scouting and stand selection so if I couldn't do that I doubt I would join. Unlike you I do enjoy talking about my hunts, however I will be honest and say that if I know where a big buck is I do keep my mouth shut until he is mine. One of the things I love about this board is you can talk about the big one you are trying to get without worrying about someone sliding over on your stands to get him!

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 09:43 AM

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gutshot, The difference between me and your buddies is that if I saw a big buck you would NEVER figure it out. I promise!!:D:D( of course, now you know about the one I saw last year ,huh??LOL.).

adams 07-29-2004 09:51 AM

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I can definately understand personal time. I spend a vast amount of time in the wilderness by myself. Week long solo hiking trips are the norm for me but I love to share my hunting. Mostly I share it with my father, but I also like share with my friends espically here.

You won't find me shooting the breeze with other hunters I meet in the woods about what critters I've seen or know to be in the area. I scout and hunt for myself. I expect other hunters to do the same if they want to be successful. But I feel the need to share with my brothers in bows. Bow hunter share something special. We have the opportunity to experience the woods in a natural state. In a state of calm before the orange army send the normal peace and tranquility of the woods into panicky chaos. We have that opportunity and I love to share it with other that also experience it. To share my experiences and to hear about others. I feel we can learn alot from others and like to bring my experiences to the table to help fellow bow hunters.

But what abut us Captian? You share with us quite often. I know it's cyber world but do you consider us here to be diffrent. I feel you bring quite a bit here with your experiences.

ButchA 07-29-2004 09:56 AM

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I have hunted alone a majority of the time. My wife always knows where I am at all times, so there is no worry. I have hunted with others (mostly duck and goose hunting) and had a great time. With deer hunting and primarily bowhunting, I would welcome the idea of hunting with others or the possibility of joining a club.

Butch A.

wolfen68 07-29-2004 09:58 AM

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I'm very similar except I like to tell folks I'm going and that is for several reasons...I am excited and want to share my excitement about going, I want someone to know where I am in case I get mauled by daddy rabbit, and I want to get a feel for which of my buddies I can call after the hunt to help me haul out my monster hawg buck!:D

Otherwise, I'm all alone and do prefer that way as well. I very much enjoy sharing stories after the hunt though.

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 10:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: adams



But what abut us Captian? You share with us quite often. I know it's cyber world but do you consider us here to be diffrent. I feel you bring quite a bit here with your experiences.
That's one of the main reasons I like this site, I can share with all of you without fear that someone is going to try to use the information I share against me. For example, I found a good stand site last year , lot of deer activity. Up until that time I had one brother that I trusted , so I told him about the sign and where I was hunting. Well, lo and behold the next time I went back he was already there with his 13 yr old boy stinking everything up!!! I immediately added him to my "Brothers I don't tell anything to" list! (It was after this I saw the BIG buck, and that's the reason he doesn't know about it).

When it comes to bowhunting, I'm very serious. It's a very serious thing to me. I had years when I was younger when it was more fun, but now it's work for me. Don't get me wrong, definitely a labor of love,and I still have fun, but everything I do is done for a specific, well-thought-out reason and executed with precision. It's a lot of work.And remember , I do this ON PURPOSE. It's the way I'm most SATISFIED in my hunting. Not for everyone I know, but it's just the way I am.
But yes adams, I do share with you guys and enjoy it, but it IS a little different ,you see.:) I don't think you guys are all that different , just a different situation. And btw, I think you bring quite a bit as well. I think most everyone on here does in one way or the other, and that is valuable to me as well.

kelincp 07-29-2004 11:12 AM

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I too enjoy hunting and all the preliminary stuff alone. I've had a few hunting "buddies" over time. They have tended to be more of a nuiscance than anything else. My best friends don't hunt, so I've tried to make do with second rate friends. Mainly I just keep to myself. Which is fine cause I do enjoy being alone out there. We see people all day its nice to just watch the woods. I do miss people tho when I'm putting up stands.:)

This forum has been a real gift to me. A great place to hear and tell stories. A great place to learn.

adams 07-29-2004 11:22 AM

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That's got to be tough when you can't tell a hunting buddy in confidence about what you've found. I share with my dad and have even served him up a few deer in the years we've hunted together but I don't mind because he taught most of what I know about hunting. I guess I'm lucky in the sence I only have a couple of friends that hunt. Well, mostly my dads friends. I share with them what I want them to know but info I work my butt off for is for me only.

Washington Hunter 07-29-2004 11:56 AM

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I don't know, maybe it's because I'm still so young compared to a lot of you, but I like hunting with my dad. I can't think of a better way to spend time with him than being in the outdoors. He's with me when I scout, when I hang stands, and sometimes when I'm able to put my tag on an animal. Honestly, I wouldn't want it any other way. This last rifle season I spent a few days during the week hunting by myself all day and found myself a little out of place. It just didn't feel right being out there knowing that we wouldn't be walking back to the truck together. He's the only real hunting buddy I have other than my chocolate lab.

c903 07-29-2004 12:18 PM

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I have hunted alone many times and have not gathered in the bowhunters circles for many years. However, some of the best hunts I have had have been when others have bagged a deer because of my sharing of information where the deer are, and my giving instructions on setups, shooting, and field skills.

Several years ago, I met a young person on the road as I came out of the property that I had been hunting for several years. He had recently been given permission to hunt the adjacent property. He had been bowhunting for three seasons and had the "bowhunter's" zeal and dreams, but he had never had a shot, his equipment was old, and he had every type and length of arrow crammed into his quiver. It was obvious that he just did not have the money to do better, and eventually he said so.

After a trip to my tackle box at my truck, a thorough adjustment and tune of the bow, a new string that was an inch too long but roughly corrected with some twisting, and a culling of shafts, we then went to his tree stand. He had literally leveled the area around his stand. It (area) looked like someone had prepped the area for a helicopter landing. I picked out a new tree along a clover field and told him what to trim and what not to trim for his fields of fire.

After I had did the most I could do with what was available and possible in the field, I told him the general locations I usually sat up in the area I hunted; that if he hit a deer he could come and get me if he needed help.

About two weeks after I had met him, I came out of the field one day and observed he was standing near my truck. He was pacing and appeared to be anxious. I knew before I got to him that he must have hit a deer. He had. After helping him track the doe for several hours, it became obvious his shot had been bad. It was a bittersweet experience for him, and he was emotionally crushed.

I explained to him that his experience was not uncommon and that he should look at the incident as progress and a learning experience. He felt somewhat better, but not totally. He expressed that he wished he had missed, rather than wounded the deer. I told him that he would improve, and that his success would improve, because it was obvious that that he had the correct attitude for a bowhunter.

The next season I moved to a new (private) hunting area and never saw the person again. I often wonder if he got his deer. I hope he did. When I recall the situation it always dawns on me; strangely, we never gave our names or any personal background. I guess we were too involved with the relevant.

During my encounter with the bowhunter, I was taken back to the excitement and frustrations of my beginnings of bowhunting. The occasion was refreshing and a good hunt.

The year I put my bowhunting student-nephew in my favorite stand location and he bagged two does 10 minutes apart, was one of the best hunts I have ever had.

I have experienced the thrill of a good hunt many times through the hands and emotions of other bowhunters I have helped in some small way.

Tomster 07-29-2004 12:22 PM

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I use to woodchuck hunt with my dad over 30 years ago, and I still remember doing it. He would get permission to hunt them in this farmers field/woods, and out we would go. We would do this year after year, and I think we only got 1. This was during the summer on vacation, in central Vermont.

But I still remember walking the fields/woods with him and a 22 in hand. Also, one year when we got to our farm house, there were porcupines living in the basement. We have a black and white picture with him and the 22, and 2 dead porcupines on the from porch.

My dad died 4 years ago, his heart stopped one morning. So guys who hunt with their dads today, cherish the times together, since nothing lasts forever.

Tom

atlasman 07-29-2004 12:50 PM

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I can't possibly imagine keeping secrets from my brothers or dad about our hunting land for the selfish reasons of wanting to have everything for myself [:'(]

I love to share everything about each day we all had in the woods.........I can't even count how many memories and stories we have that still bring a smile to my face even though they happened 15 years ago. We laugh our butts off every year telling stories that we all have heard 1,000 times already........that is a treasure about hunting I would never give up.

How anyone could be upset if another family member gets a deer and not them is mind boggling. Every day I go in the woods I hope that all my partners (friends and/or family) have a safe hunt and harvest a deer........Sure, I don't want to get skunked but I love to see other guys have success as well. A couple seasons ago I had 3 in the freezer before anyone else even got 1.........I used to go to my stand and hope I DIDN'T get offered a shot!!

Wanting everything for yourself and not being happy for others and their success sounds very greedy and dripping with petty jealousy.


Don't get me wrong..........I hunt mostly public land and the worst mistake we ever made was dragging a trophy my brother shot out to the road while it was still light out. That was in 1999 and we are STILL fighting the crowds of guys that either saw or heard about that buck and where he was shot. We used to see 1 or 2 other cars near our area and now it is a parking lot.

It's not a great idea to go and tell everyone you see about where the big boys are...........but if you can't even share that info with your family and close friends without fear of backstabbing then you have bigger issues to deal with ;)

Blakeyboy 07-29-2004 01:21 PM

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Interesting thread. My fishin buddy whom i got into huntin likes it more for the buddy thing and with the bow hunting i feel its almost necessary to be alone to have the best chance...so i prefer it that way. I like certain types of hunting with buddies but not so much the bowhunting and fishin with buddies is a given. Bowhuntin is such a personal experience...

lol, listen to me will ya, i have one archery season under my belt, although i tagged out on my 4 deer tags and passed a bunch of bucks waiting for mr. big that i missed on day 2 of the season and ultimately took the local boss during the rut at the end of the season(who wasn't mr. big btw...must have scared him into the next country?)...anyhow, its different for everyone in what it means but there's still the common interest of it all also

B
p.s. i get quieter and quieter as time passes though...

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 01:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: atlasman

I can't possibly imagine keeping secrets from my brothers or dad about our hunting land for the selfish reasons of wanting to have everything for myself [:'(]

I love to share everything about each day we all had in the woods.........I can't even count how many memories and stories we have that still bring a smile to my face even though they happened 15 years ago. We laugh our butts off every year telling stories that we all have heard 1,000 times already........that is a treasure about hunting I would never give up.

How anyone could be upset if another family member gets a deer and not them is mind boggling. Every day I go in the woods I hope that all my partners (friends and/or family) have a safe hunt and harvest a deer........Sure, I don't want to get skunked but I love to see other guys have success as well. A couple seasons ago I had 3 in the freezer before anyone else even got 1.........I used to go to my stand and hope I DIDN'T get offered a shot!!

Wanting everything for yourself and not being happy for others and their success sounds very greedy and dripping with petty jealousy.


Don't get me wrong..........I hunt mostly public land and the worst mistake we ever made was dragging a trophy my brother shot out to the road while it was still light out. That was in 1999 and we are STILL fighting the crowds of guys that either saw or heard about that buck and where he was shot. We used to see 1 or 2 other cars near our area and now it is a parking lot.

It's not a great idea to go and tell everyone you see about where the big boys are...........but if you can't even share that info with your family and close friends without fear of backstabbing then you have bigger issues to deal with ;)
Whew!! I wish you would go back and READ my post, not READ INTO it. There's a big difference.
Of course I want them to be succesful, the more the merrier, but I also want them to do it from their own treestand, not mine. What you don't know atlasman, is that we hunt on over 6,000 acres. There's only a handful of people who hunt this property, so there's PLENTY of room for people to find their own spot. In fact, both of my brothers are older than me and have hunted longer and are more than capable of finding and hunting their own place, but respect for my hunting ability , laziness, and lack of courtesy causes them to crowd in on me. I don't do that to them or anyone else.

When they do kill a big buck, nobody is happier for them than I am. Guaranteed. I am not jealous, selfish,or anything else you mentioned, and I won't take it personally because I'm sure you simply read my post from the wrong perspective.

I never said I wanted everything for myself, I never said I didn't want anyone else to shoot anything, but I would like to be able to hunt without being intruded on, and in my situation that means keeping information to myself. If I could tell my brothers what I see and not have them crowd me, I certainly would.

Also keep in mind my brothers and I have all killed a lot of deer. We got on this lease for trophy hunting only. I drive 1-1/2 hours to get where I hunt, I sacrifice a lot of money, time and sleep. Just so you know , I'm the one who found this property and introduced them to it! Is that selfish?? I also helped both of them with the lease money. Is that selfish?? All I want is to be able to hunt without someone trying to crowd me because they are too lazy to go scout their own spot.

I just wanted to clarify atlasman, because I'm sure you are level headed and had simply misunderstood and I don't want you to have the wrong impression. If I did want "everything to myself" and was jealous of them and did not want them to have success, then I agree with you that would be wrong. But I assure you that's not the case. I would be tickled pink if they killed twice as many bucks as me and if they were all bigger than mine, just not sitting in my stand doing it while I had to work.(which has happened). I also spend a lot of time trying to help them scout new areas. I WANT them to be successful, but I'd rather them do it at my help, not my expense.

-cap

Blakeyboy 07-29-2004 03:44 PM

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selfish reasons of wanting to have everything for myself
Ya, i didn't read that into your post captain, i think that there explains all the people who crowd areas after they hear or see a big buck come out of it...not you

B

c903 07-29-2004 04:48 PM

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As long as the person abides by all applicable laws and reasonable hunting ethics, there is nothing wrong with the person being somewhat a loner and keeping things to themselves.

atlasman 07-29-2004 05:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: captain backstrap

My hunting friends (who think we're "buddies") have not a clue when it comes to what I'm actually doing regarding deer hunting or preparation.
This reads like your not really "buddies" at all..........even though they see you as a "buddy".........perhaps if they knew everything you kept from them they might have a different opinion.



I usually hide my truck and sneak in and out of the woods............... I have nothing to hide, I just don't like for anybody to know my business.
You say you have nothing to hide...........right after telling us you hide and sneak.



If anybody asks me if I've seen anything I always say , "Nothing to speak of" and leave it at that. I don't really lie, I just don't volunteer all the truth.
You are lying............it's OK..........I wouldn't blab to every stranger I saw at the local coffee shop either. When it comes to family and close friends if your answer is the same then that's a different story.



The closest I come to sharing all of this with anyone is my two brothers who also hunt the property, but guess what! Last season I saw a MONSTER 160 class 5x5 with a sticker and NEITHER one of them knows about it to this day. I just don't talk about a lot of stuff.
You don't think this sounds like someone who wants that deer for himself and ONLY himself...........If you would truely be happy to see one of your brothers kill that buck they would know about it by now.



When I kill a deer I always cover it up in the back of my truck and try to drive out when noone is around. So far so good.
Didn't you say something about having nothing to hide??



I've been this way since I started bowhunting at age 9! It just seems to be the way I am, I can't help it.

Am I weird or can any of you guys relate????????????

You asked...........I'm just being honest.


Whew!! I wish you would go back and READ my post, not READ INTO it. There's a big difference.
Sorry if it's not the response you wanted...................you painted the picture and that's how I saw it.



Of course I want them to be succesful, the more the merrier, but I also want them to do it from their own treestand, not mine. What you don't know atlasman, is that we hunt on over 6,000 acres. There's only a handful of people who hunt this property, so there's PLENTY of room for people to find their own spot.
Their success is only OK with you if it doesn't effect you in any way??



In fact, both of my brothers are older than me and have hunted longer and are more than capable of finding and hunting their own place, but respect for my hunting ability , laziness, and lack of courtesy causes them to crowd in on me. I don't do that to them or anyone else.
A simple chat on common curtesy would probably clear that up over morning coffee.



When they do kill a big buck, nobody is happier for them than I am.
As long as you didn't see him first right?



I never said I wanted everything for myself, I never said I didn't want anyone else to shoot anything, but I would like to be able to hunt without being intruded on, and in my situation that means keeping information to myself. If I could tell my brothers what I see and not have them crowd me, I certainly would.
I guess that's where we are different............I saw a nice buck 2 years ago that kept avoiding me........and in a small plot of woods no less!! He was always juuuuust out of reach. I took both my brothers with me and set up a gauntlet so he wouldn't be able to slip by........my oldest bro got busted drawing and we didn't see him again for about 10 days...............when my good friend killed him from the exact tree I sit in. We were all thrilled that someone got him and I couldn't care less that he took him from my tree............I did 90% of the legwork on that deer but was thrilled when I saw him in the truck......even if it wasn't my truck ;)



Also keep in mind my brothers and I have all killed a lot of deer.
So have we


I drive 1-1/2 hours to get where I hunt, I sacrifice a lot of money, time and sleep.
Our drives are 1-2 hours depending on which area............I can relate.


I just wanted to clarify atlasman, because I'm sure you are level headed and had simply misunderstood and I don't want you to have the wrong impression. If I did want "everything to myself" and was jealous of them and did not want them to have success, then I agree with you that would be wrong. But I assure you that's not the case. I would be tickled pink if they killed twice as many bucks as me and if they were all bigger than mine, just not sitting in my stand doing it while I had to work.(which has happened). I also spend a lot of time trying to help them scout new areas. I WANT them to be successful, but I'd rather them do it at my help, not my expense.
I understand what you are saying and I think you would be much better served having this conversation with your brothers and friends.........instead of a bunch of strangers on the net ;)

atlasman 07-29-2004 05:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: captain backstrap

I found a good stand site last year , lot of deer activity. Up until that time I had one brother that I trusted , so I told him about the sign and where I was hunting. Well, lo and behold the next time I went back he was already there with his 13 yr old boy stinking everything up!!! I immediately added him to my "Brothers I don't tell anything to" list! (It was after this I saw the BIG buck, and that's the reason he doesn't know about it).
I can't wait until my nephew is old enough to hit the woods............I would gladly scrifice a year of scouting to see him whack his first deer. We have all killed plenty of them.............let the little kid have a chance.......with 6,000 acres I'm sure you have another stand out there somewhere.



When it comes to bowhunting, I'm very serious. It's a very serious thing to me. I had years when I was younger when it was more fun, but now it's work for me.
God I hope the day never comes when I say that........and we are the same age.

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 06:33 PM

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atlasman,

Do you just wake up wanting to be overly critical or do you have to work at it??
I tried to address your first post as a gentleman under attack should, but you seem to have selective hearing(reading) and very little desire to understand. You are a negative person.

The bottom line here is we are just different, but rather than accept that you want to attack that difference. I think it's great if you and all your buddies want to jump in a little wood lot to try and corner a buck. More power to you. But that's something I would never do. It's not my style. That doesn't make me wrong or right or you wrong or right, we are just different.

I could criticize you on your differences, but I'm not gonna stoop that low . I think it's great there are guys like you out there. Leaves more mature bucks for me.

You have put words in my mouth, intentions in my heart, etc. that are not there. You read in too much and you know too little about the whole situation. Funny you are the only one who has replied that feels that way. Not a SINGLE other person has deducted that I am jealous or don't want people to succeed. I never said ANY of that. And if one of the other guys kills that big buck I think that would be great, UNLESS they slip into my area behind my back to do it.

I don't have anything to hide because I'm not doing anything wrong, but I hide my truck, etc because I don't want people knowing where I hunt. Did you and your brother do something wrong when you dragged that buck out in daylight where people could see?? NO. Do you regret it?? YES. That's the whole point.

Listen, you can say what you want , but at this point I am turning you off. I come on here for fun , not confrontation. Post whatever you want if you want, I will not reply to you again unless your post is of a more mature nature. If not, you're wasting your time.

BTW, everyone else is reading this and you are probably losing credibility at this point. I think you'd be alright if you weren't so critical, but that's you're issue, not mine.;)

thenuge15 07-29-2004 06:40 PM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
If I have a stand out thats mine and I see a big buck I'll tell my friends and I can trust that no one is going there w/o asking me. Thats why their friends. Now this year we have 5 people leasing a property and we are rotating stands, if I see a big buck I will probably not tell because then everybody will be after it. Of course if we rotate stands theres nothing I can really do about it.

Washington Hunter 07-29-2004 06:42 PM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

Funny you are the only one who has replied that feels that way. Not a SINGLE other person has deducted that I am jealous or don't want people to succeed.
Actually, I felt the same way Atlas did when I read it too, I just didn't want to argue over it. Granted, I can see your point, my initial reaction was the same as Atlas'. To say that no one else felt the same was as Atlas is to put words in all of our mouths, which you have asked Atlas not to do to you. So I'm going to ask you not to assume, not to put words into all of our mouths. I may be the only other person who misunderstood your post as Atlas did, but until the rest speak up about it we can only assume, and we all know what happens when we assume.

captain backstrap 07-29-2004 07:12 PM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter


Funny you are the only one who has replied that feels that way. Not a SINGLE other person has deducted that I am jealous or don't want people to succeed.
Actually, I felt the same way Atlas did when I read it too, I just didn't want to argue over it. Granted, I can see your point, my initial reaction was the same as Atlas'. To say that no one else felt the same was as Atlas is to put words in all of our mouths, which you have asked Atlas not to do to you. So I'm going to ask you not to assume, not to put words into all of our mouths. I may be the only other person who misunderstood your post as Atlas did, but until the rest speak up about it we can only assume, and we all know what happens when we assume.
You are right in the sense that I don't know what everybody is THINKING,but that statement was based on the posts that were made .If you notice in your quote of me, I said not a single other person "who has replied" felt that way, so I thought it would be obvious I was referring to the posts that were made . I can't speak on everybody's thoughts whether they agree or disagree, but again it was based on the posts, which is all I have to go by. That's all any of us have to go by on here,really, so for me it is just a given, but I'll concede I should have clarified that.I guess I should have said"not a SINGLE other person,who has replied, has deducted in their post that I am jealous or don't want people to succeed." I never said I was jealous or didn't want others to succeed, so if you got that impression, which you said you did, you are ASSUMING I guess. You know what assuming does.;)

I am not at all jealous. I do want others, especially my family and friends, to succeed. But what's wrong with expecting them to do their own homework?? I don't mind helping them either, but I want to volunteer it , not have it forced on me. I help my brothers and nephews and niece all the time, but I also expect their daddies to do their part and not just rely on me because they know I do my homework.

I did go back and read your post, and the difference is you did not attack me, you just stated you enjoyed hunting with your dad. I enjoyed hunting with my dad too when he hunted. He is 70 now and his health is not that good and he has not hunted for several years. I've tried to talk him into going with me so I could hunt with him, but he never feels up to it. It's one of those things that happens. I'm sure you'll understand it better some day. And savor every moment you get now. All things come to an end eventually.;)

atlasman 07-29-2004 10:27 PM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

ORIGINAL: captain backstrap

atlasman,

Do you just wake up wanting to be overly critical or do you have to work at it??
I tried to address your first post as a gentleman under attack should
Under attack??



I am continually amazed at how many people ask open questions on the internet and not only expect EVERYONE to agree with them.........but actually respond in anger when someone doesn't. Remember man......you asked the question. Just because you don't like the answer you got doesn't mean you are under "attack"



you seem to have selective hearing(reading) and very little desire to understand.
I have selective hearing(reading)??..........I pointed out about a dozen quotes and fully explained why they helped paint the picture I got from your story.

Desire to understand what??..........You ask a question and then try to correct anyone who gives an answer you didn't want. If you are gonna tell us what we SHOULD say when you ask us something..........why ask at all??

Sorry you didn't get a thread full of high fives telling you we all like sneaking around the woods like a burglar and keeping secrets from our family and friends.



You are a negative person.
Because I don't agree with you?



The bottom line here is we are just different, but rather than accept that you want to attack that difference........................I think it's great if you and all your buddies want to jump in a little wood lot to try and corner a buck. More power to you.
LOLOLOL.......you don't even see it do you??

Read your sentences I seperated above and see if you can spot the glaring hypocrisy.



I could criticize you on your differences, but I'm not gonna stoop that low.
Too late ;) ............Ohhhhh wait!!! You got one more in........and in the next sentence again!!!


I think it's great there are guys like you out there. Leaves more mature bucks for me.
Good thing you would never stoop to insults ;)



And if one of the other guys kills that big buck I think that would be great, UNLESS they slip into my area behind my back to do it.
If you had that talk with all your hunting partners instead of a bunch of strangers on the net you wouldn't have that problem.



I don't have anything to hide because I'm not doing anything wrong, but I hide my truck, etc because I don't want people knowing where I hunt.
You don't have anything to hide..........except what don't want others to see or know??

That is hilarious!!



Did you and your brother do something wrong when you dragged that buck out in daylight where people could see?? NO. Do you regret it?? YES. That's the whole point.
Big difference being we were on state forest battlefields full of locals and strangers alike........we HAD to bring him out because we didn't want to chance being seen by a DEC officer dragging that buck out well after shooting hours and trying to explain it. If we were on private land with good friends and family it would have been a no brainer. You are dealing with friends and your brothers..........not a group of strangers. I already told you I wouldn't tell anyone I didn't know anything........maybe you selectively skipped that part ;)



Listen, you can say what you want , but at this point I am turning you off. I come on here for fun , not confrontation. Post whatever you want if you want, I will not reply to you again unless your post is of a more mature nature. If not, you're wasting your time.
Ahhhh..........the classic last blast and then grabbing the ball and running home......mixes real well with saying I am not mature



BTW, everyone else is reading this and you are probably losing credibility at this point. I think you'd be alright if you weren't so critical, but that's you're issue, not mine.;)
If credibility means agreeing with someone who keeps secrets from his friends and family or getting pissed when seeing your 13 year old nephew in the woods because he is in "your" stand..........then I don't want it.

BOWFANATIC 07-29-2004 11:32 PM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
You know , I bet somehow some folks around here would find a way to turn a thread about "Mosquitos are annoying" into a several page arguement.[>:]

kelincp 07-30-2004 12:26 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
This began as an interesting post. Just because we can say what we want doesn't mean we have too. Don't get me wrong I'm not taking sides here, but the original post asked a simple question "anybody out there like me?". Thats not an invitation for criticism just a question. If it had been anybody out there think I'm wrong, then the door is open. Also sometimes we really need to just look past things. Not every post is going to say what we want to hear.

Also thats a great post c903. I too would like to know if he got his deer.

c903 07-30-2004 01:10 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
Jesus H Christ, atlasman! You need to get back on your meds. Your constant chronological listing of multiple quotes followed by your stupid evaluations and nonsensical replies is a huge PITA. [:'(]

I have told you once and I will tell you again, your experience in bowhunting is too limited to be trying to give so much advice....and so much grief. Bluntly speaking, it is obvious you know very little about deer hunting, at all. As for your other hunting stories, I do not buy them either. They are always conveniently new and overdone. Why is it you have never told the stories in the past when opportunities to do so were at your doorstep?

"captain backstrap" was simply divulging how he keeps most aspects of deer hunting mostly private. At least he knows something about bowhunting deer to keep private.

Elkshed 07-30-2004 01:54 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
I love to hunt alone.Especially bowhunting.Less scent and movement and if the hunt get's messed up I can only blame myself.Unless another hunter happened by.
This year is going to be a little different my son is old enough to elk hunt and will be going.He practices shooting his bow every day and cow calls and bugels pretty good.I will call one past him and see what happens.It should be fun.I'm sure he will be able to lure one in for me too.It will be nice having the extra help of field dressing and packing out not to mention the bond and memories that will last a lifetime.
Elkshed
P.S.If you tell someone about a big bull or buck be prepared to congratulate them on your success!

BOWFANATIC 07-30-2004 03:17 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
To answer your question Captain..Yes, I'm alot like you!

The flip side of that is the very reason I still gun hunt. I gun hunt for everything I dont get from bowhunting ; the comoraderie between fellow hunters (friends) before , during , and after the hunt.

atlasman 07-30-2004 06:45 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

ORIGINAL: c903

Jesus H Christ, atlasman!
You can just call me atlasman ;)



You need to get back on your meds.
Don't take drugs.


Your constant chronological listing of multiple quotes
What do you mean??


followed by your stupid evaluations and nonsensical replies is a huge PITA. [:'(]
[Homer]mmmmmmmm..........PITA[/Homer] :D



I have told you once and I will tell you again,
Well, if you already told me and it had no effect..........that should tell you how much value I place on your opinion. Stop wasting your time ;)


your experience in bowhunting is too limited to be trying to give so much advice....and so much grief.
Try reading the thread..........He asked a question and the things I touched on had nothing to do with bowhunting and everything to do with personality issues. His personality is what causes him to hunt that way and tell strangers things he can't tell his family..........maybe if you understood what you read a little better it wouldn't be so confusing for you ;)



Bluntly speaking,
c903 speaking bluntly???.........NO WAY!!!! I just never thought I would see the day ;)



it is obvious you know very little about deer hunting, at all.
This from a guy who thinks a buck heard him soft throat grunting at 1 1/2 miles away





As for your other hunting stories, I do not buy them either. They are always conveniently new and overdone.
You can go ahead and explain yourself on this one.



Why is it you have never told the stories in the past when opportunities to do so were at your doorstep?
Let's see here.........in this thread the only stories I mentioned were setting up a gauntlet with my brothers and my oldest bro getting busted.........gee, should I have started a thread about that one?? ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and I have mentioned my other brother killing that trophy buck about 1,000 times. I may be a lot of things.............but a liar isn't one of them ;)



"captain backstrap" was simply divulging how he keeps most aspects of deer hunting mostly private.
Which is fine...........but when you end it with........"Are you guys all like me or am I weird" you shouldn't cry when someone picks option B.

The guy says he has nothing to hide.........except all the stuff he hides.

He says he doesn't lie when clearly he does.

He says he has brothers he won't tell/can't trust with info he shares with strangers.

He gets mad when a 13 year old boy is out trying to get a deer because his dad had the nerve to take him to one of "his" spots and "stink it up".

If you think all that behavior is normal then maybe you need some meds.



At least he knows something about bowhunting deer to keep private.
Probably more then you..........which is odd to see you on his side. Usually when you see someone that is younger then you are and shows any sign of intelligence or deer hunting knowledge your defense mechanism immediately kicks in and you try to blast everyone around you in some sad attempt to make yourself feel better..........It's OK man, most old timers have trouble letting go ;)

Here is a pic of my brothers rack that you don't believe.........just one more time when you are wrong........no big deal ;) Get out your trifocals and you will see that he was shot in Rushford NY.


Double Creek 07-30-2004 07:42 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 
atlasman vs c903, the two of you never seem to get along.

Captain, don't let atlasman get to you, he is very confrontational by nature and will argue to the VERY END with you. But, he's a good guy.

Blakeyboy 07-30-2004 08:00 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

Sorry if it's not the response you wanted...................you painted the picture and that's how I saw it.
You look thru some funky colored glasses man....when does the season start for you again?

Rack-attack 07-30-2004 08:03 AM

RE: Metamorphosis of a Bowhunter
 

The flip side of that is the very reason I still gun hunt. I gun hunt for everything I dont get from bowhunting ; the comoraderie between fellow hunters (friends) before , during , and after the hunt.
Yup!

I am with you Captain B........Hunt hard and Hunt alone......Keep it ALL to yourself.........and watch em slober as you drag another hammer out the woods:D:D.......................

When your onto a dink.......thats when you talk....LOL;)


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